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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

The Mother = A Christian Baker
The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.

Ridiculous and paranoid.
 
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Just helping your thinking out here. A Christian Baker also doesn't want to have anything to do with a homosexual "marriage" but what he wants doesn't matter. The principle in play here is FORCED ASSOCIATION.

I am sorry but that comparison is insane and totally :bs

The woman is not a company or is selling anything.
 
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Just helping your thinking out here. A Christian Baker also doesn't want to have anything to do with a homosexual "marriage" but what he wants doesn't matter. The principle in play here is FORCED ASSOCIATION.

I don't think anyone here needs YOUR help with their thinking. Please spare us. :roll:
 
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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News



Thoughts?

So the elements in question:
1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.

Personally, I don't see this as anything but the protection of a patient's right to privacy and the conditions of his/her treatment. Issues related to access to the child can be discussed/determined/debated/litigated outside of the area in which a medical procedure is performed.

Just as a side note, how would a hospital know for certain that any particular man is the father of a child unless or until the child is born or removed from the mother's body?

Their marital or any other status is also irrelevant, in my opinion. If I'm in the hospital having a procedure, I should be able to dictate who's in the room other than medically necessary professionals unless I'm unconscious and/or uncommunicative and someone needs to be there to speak or act on my behalf. I would imagine there's lots of occasions when wives don't want their husbands in the delivery room because they make them nervous or cause problems.

Honour the patient's wishes - simple concept, to me.
 
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Just helping your thinking out here. A Christian Baker also doesn't want to have anything to do with a homosexual "marriage" but what he wants doesn't matter. The principle in play here is FORCED ASSOCIATION.

I think the mother will be fascinated to learn that her decision to keep her ex-boyfriend out of her private medical procedure has just been likened to abortion rights, the gay marriage debate and discrimination as a whole.

Damn. I can only imagine what'll happen if a story gets out about me returning a tv to Best Buy.
 
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Personally, I don't see this as anything but the protection of a patient's right to privacy and the conditions of his/her treatment. Issues related to access to the child can be discussed/determined/debated/litigated outside of the area in which a medical procedure is performed.

Just as a side note, how would a hospital know for certain that any particular man is the father of a child unless or until the child is born or removed from the mother's body?

Their marital or any other status is also irrelevant, in my opinion. If I'm in the hospital having a procedure, I should be able to dictate who's in the room other than medically necessary professionals unless I'm unconscious and/or uncommunicative and someone needs to be there to speak or act on my behalf. I would imagine there's lots of occasions when wives don't want their husbands in the delivery room because they make them nervous or cause problems.

Honour the patient's wishes - simple concept, to me.

Great post CJ. I couldn't agree more.
 
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I think the mother will be fascinated to learn that her decision to keep her ex-boyfriend out of her private medical procedure has just been likened to abortion rights, the gay marriage debate and discrimination as a whole.

Damn. I can only imagine what'll happen if a story gets out about me returning a tv to Best Buy.

I didn't read the whole thread, but I sure hope this discussion hasn't veered into abortion rights.
 
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I didn't read the whole thread, but I sure hope this discussion hasn't veered into abortion rights.

Ecofarm tried to take it there beginning in post #25, but eventually he dropped it.
 
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The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

The Mother = A Christian Baker
The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.

Did she file for a baby with the state like the baker did when they got a business license?
 
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Well, I think that their whining about having to support THEIR child says a boat load about where some of these people are coming from. Being in the room for the delivery has nothing to do with supporting the child and providing it with what it needs and taking responsibility. I don't how or why they are trying to equate responsibility for your child and being present for the delivery of the child. The two are completely unrelated, and there is not one person who has a "right" to be in the delivery room with mom unless the doctors and she agree that a particular person or people can be there. Sometimes, if there are complications, the doctors won't let anyone in the room. Those are the breaks and that's life. These guys are making a BIG deal out of nothing to try to prove some point about responsibility where no point exists.
100% correct its desperation to seem like they have a valid point when they do not
 
Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

The Mother = A Christian Baker
The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.

Unless the birth was open to the public, she has a perfect right to decide who will be with her. The baker can always close his shop and bake cakes for whomever he want wants also. Those with a business open to the public may not discriminate based on race, religion, or sexual persuasion EVER. It is one of the costs of making money off a free society. Enough already.
 
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Just as a side note, how would a hospital know for certain that any particular man is the father of a child unless or until the child is born or removed from the mother's body?

Their marital or any other status is also irrelevant, in my opinion.

Very good point: this is true. People are just assume he's the biological child when he might not be - etc.
 
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Damn. I can only imagine what'll happen if a story gets out about me returning a tv to Best Buy.
No you didn't. How irresponsible is that? Does responsibility mean nothing to you? Why couldn't you just deal with the consequences of your actions? All the progress we have achieved now will be in jeopardy because of your irresponsible action.
 
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Just as a side note, how would a hospital know for certain that any particular man is the father of a child unless or until the child is born or removed from the mother's body?
What an excellent point.
 
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If he has no rights, then he should bear no responsibility.....
 
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Just as a side note, how would a hospital know for certain that any particular man is the father of a child unless or until the child is born or removed from the mother's body?

Let's welcome that hospital to the World Of Men. False paternity is a real phenomenon and its effects reach deep into some demographic groups while having minimal impact on others.

No man knows that a baby is his, he trusts that the baby is his.
 
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Let's welcome that hospital to the World Of Men. False paternity is a real phenomenon and its effects reach deep into some demographic groups while having minimal impact on others.

No man knows that a baby is his, he trusts that the baby is his.

all meaningless opinopin and doesnt change the fact he has no right to force the women to show her privates against her will
 
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all meaningless opinopin and doesnt change the fact he has no right to force the women to show her privates against her will

I was in the delivery room for the birth of both my kids. neither time did I see my wife's "privates". I stood at the end of the bed by her head and her lower half was covered by a screen/sheet. The baby came out and the doctor spanked its ass and held it up for us to see.
 
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Sorry daddy, you have no right to tell a woman whether or not she can abort your child.
Sorry daddy, you have no right to be present during the birth of your child.
Sorry daddy, but unless you have $$$$$$ and a damned good lawyer (and many times not even then) you have no right to be involved in your child's life.

but, BY GOD!!!!!!, you have a legal obligation to write mommy a check every month for 18 years.


somehow, that just doesn't seem......................what's the word? ........ oh yes, "fair"
 
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Sorry daddy, you have no right to tell a woman whether or not she can abort your child.
Sorry daddy, you have no right to be present during the birth of your child.
Sorry daddy, but unless you have $$$$$$ and a damned good lawyer (and many times not even then) you have no right to be involved in your child's life.

but, BY GOD!!!!!!, you have a legal obligation to write mommy a check every month for 18 years.

somehow, that just doesn't seem......................what's the word? ........ oh yes, "fair"

Whoever told you life was fair was lying.
 
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I was in the delivery room for the birth of both my kids.
neither time did I see my wife's "privates". I stood at the end of the bed by her head and her lower half was covered by a screen/sheet. The baby came out and the doctor spanked its ass and held it up for us to see.

awesome, its great you wanted to experience that much, you were allowed to and you got to!
this guy will have to wait till he is allowed to come in or the baby is moved to another room :shrug:
 
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Yes, she does. Her body, her hospital room, her condition being addressed.

If I was him, I'd drop her from my insurance and let her flip the bill.

Now it's her room.
 
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Sorry daddy, you have no right to tell a woman whether or not she can abort your child.
Sorry daddy, you have no right to be present during the birth of your child.
Sorry daddy, but unless you have $$$$$$ and a damned good lawyer (and many times not even then) you have no right to be involved in your child's life.

but, BY GOD!!!!!!, you have a legal obligation to write mommy a check every month for 18 years.


somehow, that just doesn't seem......................what's the word? ........ oh yes, "fair"

That is because society treats fathers like filth and disrespects them at very turn. The sad thing is that this man felt like any man feels that has gotten to a point where he looking forward to meeting his child. People forget that this doesn't just mean that he wants to hold the child in his arms and say hello, but also that he wants to witness and be part of its life and part of that means being there when the child is born. This woman robbed the man of that experience and for really no good reason. Like it or not she slept with the man and carried his child to term and she should be decent enough to allow him to be in the room. Whatever though, I already said I was done with this topic. Apparently, its fine to make the man a servant of the woman by child support, but it's not permissible to just allow the man to witness his own child's birth. How incredibly backwards.
 
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If I was him, I'd drop her from my insurance and let her flip the bill.

Now it's her room.
Yes, you've been showing your true colors a lot today.
 
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Yes, you've been showing your true colors a lot today.

So the man should do nothing in turn? Yeah, I'm not feeling that.
 
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