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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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Scrabaholic said:
Incorrect. She *does* have that right, as this ruling affirms.
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Which no one can explain how it makes sense.
 
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RiverDad said:
But the father, exercising his parental rights, declares that his baby wants him in there. By what reasoning do the mother's rights override the rights of the baby?
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[emphasis added by bubba]

by the reason that there is no way the baby can so effect that communication to the father
 
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Scrabaholic said:
You can see it after it's out of the delivery room if the mother doesn't want you in there.
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correct or even when the persons who rights are in control says they can come in the room


thats it, people can cry all they want, thier feelings are meaningless to rights
 
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Henrin said:
Great, so I'm treated like the damn uncle or something.
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Female Privilege is a terrible thing to behold. Society needs to work to overthrow the Matriarchy.
 
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justabubba said:
by the reason that there is no way the baby can so effect that communication to the father
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The father is acting in the best interests of the baby while the mother is acting in the best interests of herself. Courts have found that in a dispute between parents, that the best interests of the child take precedence.
 
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RiverDad said:
Female Privilege is a terrible thing to behold. Society needs to work to overthrow the Matriarchy.
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It's like the father has no connection at all to the kid and has no right to see it until the woman says so. What kind of **** is that? It's like I'm her brother or sister or something, and not the father of her kid.
 
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The nerve of women wanting to practice thier rights and not give into the hurt feelings of others or be made lessers to others, oooooh the horror
 
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ecofarm said:
Spare me the condescension.
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I sincerely didn't intend condescension. I noticed we had gotten waylaid with my original post remark while everyone else is pretty much on topic, so I was making a suggestion. Notice I did say, "let's" as in let us, meaning I included myself. And notice I ended with a light-hearted, "k?" instead of a harsh okay. I did try to type what I meant to say. I'm sorry it didn't come across in translation.
 
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AGENT J said:
The nerve of women wanting to practice thier rights and not give into the hurt feelings of others or be made lessers to others, oooooh the horror
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Who is making them a lesser exactly? All people are saying is the father has a right to see the birth of his child. She isn't made a lesser by that view.
 
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RiverDad said:
But the father, exercising his parental rights, declares that his baby wants him in there. By what reasoning do the mother's rights override the rights of the baby?
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Because he has no such parental right. At this point he doesn't have custody. The custodial parent would have such a right if it existed.
 
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Henrin said:
Who is making them a lesser exactly? All people are saying is the father has a right to see the birth of his child. She isn't made a lesser by that view.
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"people," really. I see you and one other guy, oh and the guy who was informed by the courts he was wrong.... I don't see "people".
 
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Henrin said:
Who is making them a lesser exactly? All people are saying is the father has a right to see the birth of his child. She isn't made a lesser by that view.
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Well "all people" are wrong. Such a right has never existed.
 
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Henrin said:
1.)Who is making them a lesser exactly?
2.)All people are saying is the father has a right to see the birth of his child.
3.)She isn't made a lesser by that view.
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1.) nobody hence her rights and them staying intact :)
2.) what right is that? is that in the constitution?
3.) good thing i didnt say the VIEW made her lesser then huh?
 
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RiverDad said:
The father is acting in the best interests of the baby while the mother is acting in the best interests of herself. Courts have found that in a dispute between parents, that the best interests of the child take precedence.
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That only extends to AFTER they are born.Once again, we're talking about a non-custodial parent at this point.
 
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clownboy said:
Because he has no such parental right. At this point he doesn't have custody. The custodial parent would have such a right if it existed.
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Both parents have custody until a judge deems otherwise. No judge stripped this father of his parental rights.
 
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AGENT J said:
1.) nobody hence her rights and them staying intact :)
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So by refusing the man the right to see his child being born he is not made a lesser? Interesting.
 
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MildSteel said:
The process of giving birth is part of raising a child.
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No, it is not. Many folks give birth and immediately give up the child for others to raise.
 
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RiverDad said:
The father is acting in the best interests of the baby while the mother is acting in the best interests of herself. Courts have found that in a dispute between parents, that the best interests of the child take precedence.
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you said the baby wanted the father present
there is no way the baby communicated that desire
i understand the concept of go big or go home ...especially when making stuff up in the hopes that rubes will accept it as fact
well, it's time for you to go home with that line of argument
the baby wanted the father to be there and so communicated that desire to the father
get real
 
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clownboy said:
Well "all people" are wrong. Such a right has never existed.
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So the man has no right to his child until the woman deems it in existence? How nice.
 
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RiverDad said:
Both parents have custody until a judge deems otherwise. No judge stripped this father of his parental rights.
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In many ways the laws basically make it point to say the man is nothing until the woman says otherwise. :(

You know, like wanting money.
 
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Henrin said:
So by refusing the man the right to see his child being born he is not made a lesser? Interesting.
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100% correct since he doesn't have that right

does denying you the right to rape women make you a lesser?

also you have told us what right you are referring to or if its in the constitution? what is this right you speak of?
seems like you made it up
 
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RiverDad said:
There never was a right for two dudes to marry each other either and then very quickly judges are seeing the invisible ink written down in the Constitution which declares that this right was always there.
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So true, and if you've followed along in those discussions I don't think that right ever existed either.
 
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AGENT J said:
100% correct since he doesn't have that right
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That is your argument. You don't see a problem with that?

does denying you the right to rape women make you a lesser?
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What?! Comparing rape to seeing your child being born is something else. :lamo
 
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Henrin said:
I think it's ****. If I'm the father I have a right to see the child.
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And you can after it is born.
 
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year2late said:
And you can after it is born.
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People have already told me that. It's not good enough.
 
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