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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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AGENT J said:
2.) the mother doesn't have GREATER rights :shrug: and nothing in your scenario gives her GREATER rights, once again you are confused about what rights are and what is going on
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Until a child is born, the mother has greater rights. End of story.
 
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clownboy said:
Yeah, who can trust something that bleeds for seven days a month and doesn't die? :lamo (it's an old joke people)
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I just smacked myself in the head 'cause you weren't handy.
 
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MaggieD said:
Until a child is born, the mother has greater rights. End of story.
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but she doesnt because there are no rights of the father being lost was my point

i do agree the the mother chooses who is in the room and sees her yahoo and that is the end of story.

but the question was asked why does the mother get GREATER rights, she doesnt, she only gets her rights which are NORMAL since there is no right of anybody else to see her yahoo, not even the guy that does or used to google her yahoo :)
 
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MaggieD said:
Until a child is born, the mother has greater rights. End of story.
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Then don't ask for my support. End of story.
 
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clownboy said:
It's easy, just tell those people that there is no right to see your kid being born, never has been. Not even in Christ's time.
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I was referring to the proposed "expansion" of that ruling to abortion, as implied by Summer in the quote I presented.

Of course a woman has a right to privacy giving birth.


prometeus said:
I am curious, how did you arrive at the child's right to life, as if that existed at all, being subordinate to the mother and how is any of that relevant to the father not being allowed to witness the birth?
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See the quote in my post.
 
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Aunt Spiker said:
New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News



Thoughts?

So the elements in question:
1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.
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Well if comfort is privacy that cats out of the bag! If a woman is that controlling run because this crazy broad is only going to be a problem for the next 18yrs.. I witnessed the birth of our son and I did do all the birthing classes but we had already been married for 14yrs. Guys seriously! It might look great at the moment but remember 18yrs of hell is just not worth it. Let some other fool deal with her and her crazy issues, trust me I've seen great guys do the right thing and they suffered! If you're married and your wife runs you out, and you did the classes and everything, just remember that gives you the right to decline to participate in any and all in-laws functions. Remember you have a right to privacy as well.
 
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ecofarm said:
I was referring to the proposed "expansion" of that ruling to abortion, as implied by Summer in the quote I presented.

Of course a woman has a right to privacy giving birth.
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Gotcha. I don't think this is at all analogous to abortion. Not even remotely.
 
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Summerwind said:
I grasp that some people's beliefs are wrong, and therefore shouldn't be forced on anyone other than themselves. Hence each mother's right to privacy supersedes anyone else beliefs or considerations, be they acceptable to you or not.
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So you refuse to recognize your political opponent's position and instead push forward with your narrative as if it is absolute truth. I bet that gets you far.
 
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The fact that we require father's to financially provide support, indicates that a woman is not totally independent in the process of conceiving and bringing up children. As such, a father should have some rights to see the birth of a child. If the woman is indeed totally independent, then she should bear the sole responsibility for conceiving and bringing up children. Which would mean that father's should not be require to financially provide support.
 
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Henrin said:
Then don't ask for my support. End of story.
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You're not giving support to the mother but to the child. The mother has no right to bargain away the father's obligations to his child.
 
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MaggieD said:
Prologue: She doesn't get your support. Your baby does.
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Sure..Sure..Sure. I believe that.
 
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sneakosview said:
Well if comfort is privacy that cats out of the bag! If a woman is that controlling run because this crazy broad is only going to be a problem for the next 18yrs.. I witnessed the birth of our son and I did do all the birthing classes but we had already been married for 14yrs. Guys seriously! It might look great at the moment but remember 18yrs of hell is just not worth it. Let some other fool deal with her and her crazy issues, trust me I've seen great guys do the right thing and they suffered! If you're married and your wife runs you out, and you did the classes and everything, just remember that gives you the right to decline to participate in any and all in-laws functions. Remember you have a right to privacy as well.
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I well undertand the frustration involved in your view, but that last part, trust me, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
 
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RiverDad said:
The exercise of rights carries consequences too. If this was a case of a married couple then I would assume that the woman's position would cause a lot of problems in the marriage - denying her husband the non-replaceable experience of being there when his child is born. That's a pretty big slap in the face.
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That is for them to work out. Legally, he should not be able to force his way in.
 
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Henrin said:
I think it's ****. If I'm the father I have a right to see the child.
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You can see it after it's out of the delivery room if the mother doesn't want you in there.
 
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ecofarm said:
So you refuse to recognize your political opponent's position and instead push forward with your narrative as if it is absolute truth. I bet that gets you far.
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No, I recognize people have their own positions and respect each women to CHOOSE according to her individual beliefs. Now let's stop derailing the point of this thread, k?
 
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MildSteel said:
The fact that we require father's to financially provide support, indicates that a woman is not totally independent in the process of conceiving and bringing up children. As such, a father should have some rights to see the birth of a child. If the woman is indeed totally independent, then she should bear the sole responsibility for conceiving and bringing up children. Which would mean that father's should not be require to financially provide support.
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If you substitute out "see the birth of" with "participate in the raising of" I think you're mostly there. There never has been such a right.
 
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Summerwind said:
Now let's stop derailing the point of this thread, k?
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Spare me the condescension.
 
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clownboy said:
If you substitute out "see the birth of" with "participate in the raising of" I think you're mostly there. There never has been such a right.
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The process of giving birth is part of raising a child.
 
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clownboy said:
I well undertand the frustration involved in your view, but that last part, trust me, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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I know, but if your wife is that whack you got to know her family are a sack full of nutters!
 
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Scrabaholic said:
You can see it after it's out of the delivery room if the mother doesn't want you in there.
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But the father, exercising his parental rights, declares that his baby wants him in there. By what reasoning do the mother's rights override the rights of the baby?
 
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Scrabaholic said:
You can see it after it's out of the delivery room if the mother doesn't want you in there.
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Great, so I'm treated like the damn uncle or something.
 
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Henrin said:
It's ****. It's my child as well as hers. She has no right to stop me from seeing it being born. I'm absolutely sick of mothers being permitted to step on the rights of fathers.
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Incorrect. She *does* have that right, as this ruling affirms.
 
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clownboy said:
If you substitute out "see the birth of" with "participate in the raising of" I think you're mostly there. There never has been such a right.
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There never was a right for two dudes to marry each other either and then very quickly judges are seeing the invisible ink written down in the Constitution which declares that this right was always there.
 
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