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New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room[W:829]

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The child is alive at the point of birth. This means that this situation can no longer find parallel in the abortion argument.

Imagine that the child is 3 years old and the mother and father rush the child to the ER with an injury because the mother has glued herself, with crazy glue, to the child. The mother now demands that the father not be present in the ER as the physicians separate them. Why does the mother have greater rights than the child who is crying out for the father's presence?
The father would be removed regardless. Usually they only allow one parent in a room with an active procedure that involves removal of clothing, stitching, surgery, ......
 
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The theory is that this forms a tighter emotional bond with the child, not that it is necessary to form a bond.

That's a nice theory but lacks in credible evidence since it is a rather recent phenomenon. Again, history suggests a tight emotional bond may be developed without the father's presense at birth. Considering all the child is seeing at that point are blobs I doubt the father's presense has any impact upon the child at birth at all, other than upsetting the mother.
 
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1.)The child is alive at the point of birth. This means that this situation can no longer find parallel in the abortion argument.
2.)Imagine that the child is 3 years old and the mother and father rush the child to the ER with an injury because the mother has glued herself, with crazy glue, to the child. The mother now demands that the father not be present in the ER as the physicians separate them. Why does the mother have greater rights than the child who is crying out for the father's presence?

1.) good thing i never mentioned abortion or whether the child is alive or not. You seemed severely confused
2.) the mother doesn't have GREATER rights :shrug: and nothing in your scenario gives her GREATER rights, once again you are confused about what rights are and what is going on
 
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What did I say exactly that is hating on women? lol. She doesn't own the room, and being in the room is not acting on her body. Both are facts. There is no reason that she would have a right to control the room and who is in it. Here is the thing, she is in a room owned by someone else with her ***** out for all to see. Anyone can come into that room and see it. The father saw the ****ing thing already, so really, wtf is your complaint about exactly? That he will see it again? It's kind of weird to **** a dude, decide to have his kid, and then complain he might see your *****.



Not following..

Here have a shovel..... You dig yourself deeper faster with one....
 
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There are two people involved in the medical procedure of birth - the mother and the child.
I always wondered why the hell did doctors and nurses had to be there.

If the mother doesn't grant permission, the child can
Seriously?

and in this case, the father has legal rights
Such as evidenced by what?
 
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The theory is that this forms a tighter emotional bond with the child, not that it is necessary to form a bond.
Theory, so the rights of the father you alluded to was also a theory.
 
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That's a nice theory but lacks in credible evidence since it is a rather recent phenomenon. Again, history suggests a tight emotional bond may be developed without the father's presense at birth. Considering all the child is seeing at that point are blobs I doubt the father's presense has any impact upon the child at birth at all, other than upsetting the mother.

I don't think that anyone has argued that the child has a closer bond to the father. The argument is the reverse and the child benefits from the father having a closer bond to the child than he otherwise would have.
 
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What did I say exactly that is hating on women? lol. She doesn't own the room, and being in the room is not acting on her body. Both are facts. There is no reason that she would have a right to control the room and who is in it. Here is thing, she is a room owned by someone else with her ***** out for all to see. Anyone can come into that room as see it. The father saw the ****ing thing alredy, so really, wtf is your complaint about exactly? That he will see it again?

Any time any person is in the hospital, they have the right to refuse visitors to their room, refuse to have their name shown on the hospital directory, refuse that any health information at all be given out about them, refuse phone calls, etc., etc. Read up on HIPPA Laws.
 
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Seriously?

Sure. My minor daughters can grant all sorts of permissions when I act as their agent, or IOW, I act on their behalf.
 
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It's kind of weird to **** a dude, decide to have his kid, and then complain he might see your *****.

wow simply wow
 
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Sure. My minor daughters can grant all sorts of permissions when I act as their agent, or IOW, I act on their behalf.

Not at a hospital. Once your daughter is to a point where a medical team is working on her, you'll be gently escorted away. They don't want to risk your germs in the theater of the procedure. So for something like a broken leg, yeah, you can be there. Something like an emergency appendectomy, no you can't.
 
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What did I say exactly that is hating on women? lol. She doesn't own the room, and being in the room is not acting on her body. Both are facts. There is no reason that she would have a right to control the room and who is in it.
This is beyond stupid. Ever wonder why they do not deliver babies in the lobby?
 
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This is beyond stupid. Ever wonder why they do not deliver babies in the lobby?

You mean that home birth is some kind of CIA conspiracy?
 
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You mean that home birth is some kind of CIA conspiracy?

Good point. Births happened at home basically for 99% of human history, usually with mid wives. How ever did humanity survive?
 
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Good point. Births happened at home basically for 99% of human history, usually with mid wives. How ever did humanity survive?
As were most broken bones set, most teeth pulled, many abortions both successful and botched, .... your point?
 
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As were most broken bones set, most teeth pulled, many abortions both successful and botched, .... your point?

Point was already made. I get to quote myself - cool!

Ockham said:
Births happened at home basically for 99% of human history, usually with mid wives. How ever did humanity survive?

Get it yet?
 
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Good point. Births happened at home basically for 99% of human history, usually with mid wives. How ever did humanity survive?

To be fair, even then the menfolk were sent packing.

There's a reason they're called midwives.
 
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Point was already made. I get to quote myself - cool!



Get it yet?
Medical procedures sometimes happen at home and other places, it doesn't make it less of a medical procedure. This one was occurring in the rented birthing room of the mother at a hospital.

So again, what's is your point in relation to a father being able to see the birth. If the mother had a home birth, he'd be no more likely to be welcome or included.
 
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Here have a shovel..... You dig yourself deeper faster with one....

So is it not true that when he ****ed her he saw her *****? Is it not true that she decided to carry the child to term? Is it not true he is the father? Is it not true she does not own the room? Is not true by being in the room no one is acting towards her body? If all the above are true what grounds does she have to kick him out of the room? Why does a father not have a right to see his child being born?
 
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You mean that home birth is some kind of CIA conspiracy?
This was in a hospital and the remark that anyone can enter the delivery room was just simply retarded.
But lets go with him delivery for the sake of argument. Who's house, as I certain that she would not had delivered the baby at his house. Trespassing come to mind.
 
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To be fair, even then the menfolk were sent packing.

Frankly, I like that. I wouldn't want to be in there ... that whole birth experience nonsense. No thanks.
 
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This is beyond stupid. Ever wonder why they do not deliver babies in the lobby?

Sorry, how does that show an error in my argument?
 
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So is it not true that when he ****ed her he saw her *****? Is it not true that she decided to carry the child to term? Is it not true he is the father? Is it not true she does not own the room? Is not true by being in the room no one is acting towards her body? If all the above are true what grounds does she have to kick him out of the room?
Being crude an obnoxious hardly makes your comments more convincing.

Why does a father not have a right to see his child being born?
Why does he and what is it based on?
 
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Frankly, I like that. I wouldn't want to be in there ... that whole birth experience nonsense. No thanks.

Yeah, who can trust something that bleeds for seven days a month and doesn't die? :lamo (it's an old joke people)
 
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Sorry, how does that show an error in my argument?
A hospital delivery room is not Grand Central Station, where any and all can come and go as they please.
 
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