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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    .... even more irony,


    I call logical fallacy. You failed to make a logical statement.

    Example -"Have you stopped beating your wife?"


    more failed insults and still nothing of intellectual merit to support your failed posts huh? thats what i thought

    lets us know hen you got something
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I'd rather go through 18 hours of pain than 18 years of wallet-rape.
    You act like women have no financial responsibility for the child.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    more failed insults and still nothing of intellectual merit to support your failed posts huh? thats what i thought

    lets us know hen you got something
    You're welcome.

    BTW, that last post was not an insult. The quote, "Are you still beating your wife?" is a commonly known example of a loaded question -- a logical fallacy; -- the facts are presupposed by the question. Forgive me if you were not aware of that; my apology if you thought I was offering that quote as an insult.

    Hopefully you will be able to use this information. It might even qualify as being something of "intellectual merit".

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    You're welcome.

    BTW, that last post was not an insult. The quote, "Are you still beating your wife?" is a commonly known example of a loaded question -- a logical fallacy; -- the facts are presupposed by the question. Forgive me if you were not aware of that; my apology if you thought I was offering that quote as an insult.

    Hopefully you will be able to use this information. It might even qualify as being something of "intellectual merit".
    Wow, you got him in less than 500 posts...

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    So being an advocate for his child is not a good enough reason? Is it immoral for this father to want to be there for his child's birth in case anything goes wrong? Is it immoral for this Father to want to be there for his child's birth even if everything goes right?

    I honestly do not understand this line of reasoning by some of you folks? She's not concerned about privacy. She's using it as an excuse to exclude this man form something that he obviously felt important enough to take her to court for - to secure his rights, and the rights of his child, or to at least bring attention to the moral question and make people stop thinking traditionally and think deeper about the situation. The unborn child to have his/her father present at birth seems reasonable. Unless of course you're suggesting that a child in the vaginal canal a second from birth has no rights at all, but one second away has all of a sudden attained them? No one is discussing that either. Why doesn't the child have rights? Shouldn't an unborn child have two advocates in the birthing room when possible? Mother got pregnant on purpose (Assuming it was on purpose), isn't that when and where her claim to have exclusive control of the future of that child end?


    Just some things to think about.


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    Has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with law, the right to privacy and that a patient make their own decisions when it comes to their medical care. They should not have FORCED upon them a person they do not wish to be there, who cannot contribute any medical help and is there to observe. COME ON!!! That's silly as hell!

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) sorry i have no plans on going over all his rights, which WE ALL HAVE, with you. If you want to do that start a thread based on that. Start with the constitution and go from there it will help out your confusion a lot.
    2.) correct, another thing that has nothing to do with this topic
    IOW, you can't name a single one. that's what I thought....
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Oh please. You probably couldn't handle the pain a woman goes through in childbirth. Men who have had labour simulators on them have caved quite quickly.
    wah. I've been stabbed, shot, tazed, etc, etc, etc. spare me the lame crappola about how horrible the pain of childbirth is.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Has nothing to do with morality and everything to do with law, the right to privacy and that a patient make their own decisions when it comes to their medical care. They should not have FORCED upon them a person they do not wish to be there, who cannot contribute any medical help and is there to observe. COME ON!!! That's silly as hell!

    I disagree about the morality issue - hell yes morality has a consideration - how moral is it to further stress out a woman in labor who already is physically and emotionally stressed.

    For whatever her reasons are - he is upsetting to her. They broke up. Why is it so odd that after breaking up she would not want him seeing her at her most physically and emotionally vulnerable?

    There are many issues of "unfairness" towards the father in law ---this will never ever be one of them.

    But it is very easily solved from a legal standpoint. It is blatantly obvious he has not legal right to be here.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    You act like women have no financial responsibility for the child.
    Stay at home moms? They don't.

    They're leeches.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    wah. I've been stabbed, shot, tazed, etc, etc, etc. spare me the lame crappola about how horrible the pain of childbirth is.
    You can't win the fight, man. Women are gods unto themselves. We try and make them equal - and this is the result.

    It's the whole "give them an inch" argument.

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