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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

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    Correct, some people simply don't care about the others rights though, they want their feelings to trump them and thats not how it works.
    true. some people just care about the woman's rights and don't give ****all about the man's rights and don't care that he has none.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    1.)true.
    2.) some people just care about the woman's rights and don't give ****all about the man's rights
    3.) and don't care that he has none.
    1.) yes i know thanks
    2.) this is true those people do exist luckily the OP has nothing to do with that or them
    3.) this is simply false he does rights but again this false opinion has nothing to do with the op
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

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    3.) this is simply false he does rights but again this false opinion has nothing to do with the op
    so what "rights" does he have? (note: privileges that can be taken away at the whim of the female are not "rights")
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

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    1.)so what "rights" does he have?
    2.) (note: privileges that can be taken away at the whim of the female are not "rights")

    1.) sorry i have no plans on going over all his rights, which WE ALL HAVE, with you. If you want to do that start a thread based on that. Start with the constitution and go from there it will help out your confusion a lot.
    2.) correct, another thing that has nothing to do with this topic
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Correct, some people simply don't care about the others rights though, they want their feelings to trump them and thats not how it works. Its hilarious that the women's rights mean nothing to some they just want to violate them based on emotion.

    Don't you realize that what you just said works exactly the same scenario but in reverse? She wants to exclude this man, the father of her child based on emotion, and is hiding behind weak laws that protect her privacy to the exclusion of all reason.


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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    I understand the hypothetical discomfort of having him there, but is there any REAL harm in having him there?
    Honestly, you might be surprised.

    From what I understand, relaxation and concentration play a major role in helping a delivery to go smoothly. If a woman's muscles are overly tense, or she is not able to properly focus, it can prolong the labor, and make the pushing stage more painful, more physically traumatic, and more generally dangerous for mother and child alike.

    It could possibly even result in making an operative delivery or C-section more likely.

    Look at it this way. Would you want to pass a bowel movement the size of a football with someone you hate watching the whole time?

    I'm guessing the answer is probably "no."

    Why would you imagine that a woman would want to give birth with someone she strongly dislikes present?
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    1.)Don't you realize that what you just said works exactly the same scenario but in reverse?
    2.) She wants to exclude this man, the father of her child based on emotion
    3.) and is hiding behind weak laws that protect her privacy to the exclusion of all reason.


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    1.) in this case it factually does not. Theres no rights being denied to the man. ZERO.
    2.) your opinion on why doesnt matter and even if true it doesnt matter because why? . . . . . its still her right

    she could come out and say i dont want him in there because he is a poopie head and im doing this to hurt his feelings.
    doesnt matter

    would my personal OPINION< think thats ****ty and severely ****ed up? yes
    would my personal OPINION, think thats ignorant? yes

    but my opinions and feelings, just like yours, dont matter to her rights. THey are meaningless. SOrry that fact bothers you.

    3.) more opinions that dont matter
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) sorry i have no plans on going over all his rights, which WE ALL HAVE, with you. If you want to do that start a thread based on that. Start with the constitution and go from there it will help out your confusion a lot.
    2.) correct, another thing that has nothing to do with this topic

    hehe, you can't argue outside the superficial can you? You are mentally incapable of making an actual argument not predicated on some antiquated preference of women over men in society. You might as well just saved us all some time and said I believe just because..

    You haven't told us why my or others arguments are not valid or have no merit only that because the law says it is so it must be true. You have avoided my arguments altogether disregarding them with the same perfunctoriness as the majority of posters on this thread. When challenged on why a man doe snot have pre-birth rights you again turn to the law as incontrovertable proof of your position. I said it before, it's weak, and superficial. You have been unable this far as to answer my one basic most simple question. What material harm is there in allowing this man to witness the birth of his child?
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Honestly, you might be surprised.

    From what I understand, relaxation and concentration play a major role in helping a delivery to go smoothly. If a woman's muscles are overly tense, or she is not able to properly focus, it can prolong the labor, and make the pushing stage more painful, more physically traumatic, and more generally dangerous for mother and child alike.

    It could possibly even result in making an operative delivery or C-section more likely.

    Look at it this way. Would you want to pass a bowel movement the size of a football with someone you hate watching the whole time?

    I'm guessing the answer is probably "no."

    Why would you imagine that a woman would want to give birth with someone she strongly dislikes present?

    How is the presence of the man that bore her the seed any more or less uncomfortable than the presence of strangers? By the way, there is nothing relaxing about labor, even if you have an epidural, it's intense.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post

    Why would you imagine that a woman would want to give birth with someone she strongly dislikes present?

    Oh just as a funny aside, trust me bro. Even if Mom and Pop are on great terms, she not liking him very much during child birth. Both of my children's Mom's called me all kinds of things during labor.


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