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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    It's easy, just tell those people that there is no right to see your kid being born, never has been. Not even in Christ's time.
    I was referring to the proposed "expansion" of that ruling to abortion, as implied by Summer in the quote I presented.

    Of course a woman has a right to privacy giving birth.


    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    I am curious, how did you arrive at the child's right to life, as if that existed at all, being subordinate to the mother and how is any of that relevant to the father not being allowed to witness the birth?
    See the quote in my post.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News



    Thoughts?

    So the elements in question:
    1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
    2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

    Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

    I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.
    Well if comfort is privacy that cats out of the bag! If a woman is that controlling run because this crazy broad is only going to be a problem for the next 18yrs.. I witnessed the birth of our son and I did do all the birthing classes but we had already been married for 14yrs. Guys seriously! It might look great at the moment but remember 18yrs of hell is just not worth it. Let some other fool deal with her and her crazy issues, trust me I've seen great guys do the right thing and they suffered! If you're married and your wife runs you out, and you did the classes and everything, just remember that gives you the right to decline to participate in any and all in-laws functions. Remember you have a right to privacy as well.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I was referring to the proposed "expansion" of that ruling to abortion, as implied by Summer in the quote I presented.

    Of course a woman has a right to privacy giving birth.
    Gotcha. I don't think this is at all analogous to abortion. Not even remotely.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then don't ask for my support. End of story.
    Prologue: She doesn't get your support. Your baby does.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I grasp that some people's beliefs are wrong, and therefore shouldn't be forced on anyone other than themselves. Hence each mother's right to privacy supersedes anyone else beliefs or considerations, be they acceptable to you or not.
    So you refuse to recognize your political opponent's position and instead push forward with your narrative as if it is absolute truth. I bet that gets you far.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    The fact that we require father's to financially provide support, indicates that a woman is not totally independent in the process of conceiving and bringing up children. As such, a father should have some rights to see the birth of a child. If the woman is indeed totally independent, then she should bear the sole responsibility for conceiving and bringing up children. Which would mean that father's should not be require to financially provide support.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then don't ask for my support. End of story.
    You're not giving support to the mother but to the child. The mother has no right to bargain away the father's obligations to his child.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Prologue: She doesn't get your support. Your baby does.
    Sure..Sure..Sure. I believe that.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by sneakosview View Post
    Well if comfort is privacy that cats out of the bag! If a woman is that controlling run because this crazy broad is only going to be a problem for the next 18yrs.. I witnessed the birth of our son and I did do all the birthing classes but we had already been married for 14yrs. Guys seriously! It might look great at the moment but remember 18yrs of hell is just not worth it. Let some other fool deal with her and her crazy issues, trust me I've seen great guys do the right thing and they suffered! If you're married and your wife runs you out, and you did the classes and everything, just remember that gives you the right to decline to participate in any and all in-laws functions. Remember you have a right to privacy as well.
    I well undertand the frustration involved in your view, but that last part, trust me, you're cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The exercise of rights carries consequences too. If this was a case of a married couple then I would assume that the woman's position would cause a lot of problems in the marriage - denying her husband the non-replaceable experience of being there when his child is born. That's a pretty big slap in the face.
    That is for them to work out. Legally, he should not be able to force his way in.

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