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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Jerry, I never said that the topic ran down political lines. I responded to the other person's post which quoted me out of context as "a typical liberal remark". It was not a response to his/her position, it was a response his/her illogical tactic of taking something out of context and presenting that as my position. I hope that clears this up?
    NOTHING was taken out of context, you made a blanket illogical blanket statement that others destroyed. If that bothers you simply make better more accurate statments that dont fail.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Del Z, the following is what I feel is relevant in this case to the previous questions asked.

    There are more than just mother's (parental) rights and father's (parental) rights of a baby at play when it comes to this issue. There is also the mother's and baby's health concerns and mother's right to privacy during a medical procedure (and yes, delivering a child is a medical procedure).

    So you have:

    father's "right" to see child delivered vs mother's right to medical privacy and medical concerns for both the baby and the mother

    Given the facts here, there is no doubt that the mother's rights/needs (and by extension the baby's as well) come before any supposed "right" there may be to the father seeing the child born.

    When it comes to a child, not all parental "rights" are going to be equal. For example, given the nature of breastfeeding, the mother will have more say in this area when it comes to at her time with the child than the father. If she wants to breastfeed and can, that is going to be her right to do so no matter the father's input here. (Now, I will say that if the mother is putting the child in danger by breastfeeding her/him, such as she is HIV positive, then no, she should not be able to breastfeed without facing negative consequences regarding her parenting since breastfeeding in that case would put the child at risk.) On the same token, if she does not want to breastfeed, the father cannot force her to breastfeed, even if he feels it is best for his child. (These discussions on this case kind of make me wonder when we might see a court case regarding breastfeeding when it comes to children and parental rights.)
    it's like I said, the father has little, if any, rights when it comes to a child he has helped create.

    he has no "right" to decide if the fetus lives or is aborted
    he has no "right" to be present during the birth
    he has no "right" to contact with the child after its birth without the mother's permission

    the only "right" he has is the right to write a check every month until the kid is 18, whether the mother ever lets him see it or not.

    agree, disagree. like it or not. fair or not, that's just the way it is.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Jerry, I never said that the topic ran down political lines.
    Yes you did, right here:
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    LOL! What a typical response from a liberal....
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    I hope that clears this up?
    Why are you asking me what you hope? I don't know, do you hope that? Stop asking stupid questions please.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    it's like I said, the father has little, if any, rights when it comes to a child he has helped create.

    he has no "right" to decide if the fetus lives or is aborted
    he has no "right" to be present during the birth
    he has no "right" to contact with the child after its birth without the mother's permission

    the only "right" he has is the right to write a check every month until the kid is 18, whether the mother ever lets him see it or not.

    agree, disagree. like it or not. fair or not, that's just the way it is.
    And that is not true. Men have plenty of rights to their child, after the child is born because prior to the child being born the child is attached to the mother, quite literally.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And let's not forget that the doctor has the final say on who is in the delivery room. Even if the law put the father's wish ahead of the mother's, the doctor can bar the father at the mother's request simply to avoid the distraction of drama.
    Of course. He is responsible for the health and well being of mother and child.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And that is not true. Men have plenty of rights to their child, after the child is born because prior to the child being born the child is attached to the mother, quite literally.
    Some guys just want to have the control.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Holy crap. Now the story is that he never asked to be in the delivery room. OOOPsies......
    Yet he sued to be in the delivery room.... smh

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Yet he sued to be in the delivery room.... smh
    So it was garden variety harassment.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think of his reason for being there, he obviously thinks it was hugely important for him to be there. As I noted above, what does it matter that I think monogamy is not important to YOUR marriage and that it should be fine for your husband or you to have affairs. What importance does my standard regarding your marriage have? None.

    It doesn't matter that if you were in this man's shoes that you would chose a different path, what matters is that he believed that this was a hugely important principle, enough to take it to court.
    None of this is related to my question. Nice sidestep.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I have already discussed both of these points in this thread.
    So? My points stand.

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