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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Usually this has nothing to do with courts and everything to do with authoritarian hospitals....

    Usually they drug the mother up and pressure her into a c-section (the easy way out for a doctor)...

    When it comes to births at a hospital I don't believe the mothers wishes or expectations are considered at all - these clowns just want to deliver the baby as fast as possible.

    Long gone are the days when doctors where your family physician and they were there and delivered you and were your doctor until you were 25 (for example).

    IMO, I think doctors view delivering children as a waste of their time, which is why they advocate c-sections 999.9% of the time.
    Usually it doesn't matter because the two are normally together at least for the birth of the child. It is a lot less common for two people expecting to have broken up prior to the birth of a child than it is for them to breakup after.

    And this case was about the mother's wishes and her privacy, nothing about the doctors.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    The natural father of the child has every right to be in the room while the child is being birthed. I suppose there are some exceptions like sperm donors and such, or others that signed over legal rights to the child.
    No, he doesn't. There is no right to that. His fatherhood can't even be determined definitely until after the child is born in some cases. Plus, he has no right to unlimited access to the child, particularly not when the mother's privacy in her healthcare are a major factor in his seeing the child, like this case.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    your post was not edited in anyway whatsoever that changes its content besides numbering your points.
    I do this so all your points get addressed. I dont miss any and theres no confusion into what im responding to.
    This is done as a courtesy so theres clearing communication. If this bothers you there is a simply solution, simply dont respond. You're welcome.

    Let me know when you can address the things that proved your post wrong. thanks
    I'll say it this way then DO NOT EDIT MY QUOTES AND PRESENT THEM AS MINE. Now you are being intellectually dishonest as well as arrogant. I do not need to have my quotes formatted the way you choose to format them inside the quote tags. Adding emphasis with bold or otherwise is not the same thing, as long as the bold part is what you wish to respond to. But actually making a quote appear differently then how a person wrote it is bad form. Besides, nobody really wants their quotes to be misspelled by you.

    If you wish to number points outside of my quote then I have no problem with that. But I will not permit you to edit my quotes without taking issue with that.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    I'll say it this way then DO NOT EDIT MY QUOTES AND PRESENT THEM AS MINE.
    2.) Now you are being intellectually dishonest as well as arrogant.
    3.) I do not need to have my quotes formatted the way you choose to format them inside the quote tags.
    4.) Adding emphasis with bold or otherwise is not the same thing, as long as the bold part is what you wish to respond to. But actually making a quote appear differently then how a person wrote it is bad form.
    5.) Besides, nobody really wants their quotes to be misspelled by you.
    6.)If you wish to number points outside of my quote then I have no problem with that. But I will not permit you to edit my quotes without taking issue with that.
    1.) I didnt
    2.) 100% false, your posts in content were factually not changed
    3.) already gave the reasoning and provided you with the solution
    4.) sorry you feel that way, like i said you can simply not respond
    5.) well since i only add numbers theres no risk of this LOL
    6.) not your choice

    like i said if you simply wish to not participate in my courtesy in making communication very clear you can choose not too

    Please stay on topic and again let me know when you can address the points I made that proved your post wrong, thanks
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It doesn't matter that the child is only born once. The child will only have one first Christmas, one birthday for each age, one first day of school, and many other firsts that it is likely only one parent will get to see. The mother's privacy in this case outweighs the father's want to be there for that one moment of thousands to come.
    Again, I am not saying that the father should be there during the labor, I would honor the mother's wishes for privacy then. But in this case we are not even talking about a father who became a father by way of a casual sexual encounter are we? If it were then I think in a case of a casual relationship, then it would at least be more reasonable to impose a strict separation of the two parties at the hospital. However in this case the father was her fiance. This woman made a decision with this man to not only make this baby, but also at one point to be his wife. I give more weight in this case to the father on those grounds. How much "privacy" did this woman have when she was sleeping with this man and living with him for a long time? I'm sorry, but without proof that there was abuse by this man, I think this woman is being a spoiled brat. She made decisions well before the point of delivering a baby that involved this man, and I think this judge got it wrong.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    1.)Again, I am not saying that the father should be there during the labor, I would honor the mother's wishes for privacy then.
    2.) But in this case we are not even talking about a father who became a father by way of a casual sexual encounter are we? If it were then I think in a case of a casual relationship, then it would at least be more reasonable to impose a strict separation of the two parties at the hospital.
    3.) However in this case the father was her fiance.
    4.)This woman made a decision with this man to not only make this baby, but also at one point to be his wife.
    5.) I give more weight in this case to the father on those grounds.
    6.) How much "privacy" did this woman have when she was sleeping with this man and living with him for a long time?
    7.) I'm sorry, but without proof that there was abuse by this man, I think this woman is being a spoiled brat.
    8.) She made decisions well before the point of delivering a baby that involved this man
    9.) and I think this judge got it wrong.
    1.) its not her "wishes" its her right, VERY large difference
    2.) doesnt matter how he became the father he rights are still her rights
    3.) this also doesnt matter to her rights
    4.) see #3
    5.) the father has no right to violate the womans rights, theres no weight to give.
    6.) another thing that factually doesnt matter, that was her CHOICE just like it is now. would this excuse work for a peeping tom? of course not because it has no logical merit.
    7.) You are free to have this opinion and you maybe 100% right but that doesn't take away her rights
    8.) this also doesnt matter if a women chooses to have sex then decides to stop half way though is it ok to just continue? i mean she already made her decision right? again, of course not because that makes no logica sense
    9.) you are free to think that but theres no laws or rights that support that thought.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) I didnt
    2.) 100% false, your posts in content were factually not changed
    3.) already gave the reasoning and provided you with the solution
    4.) sorry you feel that way, like i said you can simply not respond
    5.) well since i only add numbers theres no risk of this LOL
    6.) not your choice

    like i said if you simply wish to not participate in my courtesy in making communication very clear you can choose not too

    Please stay on topic and again let me know when you can address the points I made that proved your post wrong, thanks

    I am happy to participate in any discussion with anyone at anytime, but I do not wish to have my quotes edited by you or anyone else. If you agree to not ever doing that again, then I will be happy to respond. But I am not going to respond to anyone who makes it a habit of editing other people's quotes in a manner different than they made them. Why do you not see this as a problem? Do you not understand the purpose of the quote function? When the quote says, "originally posted by so and so" then the content underneath that, both in actual words and form, is assumed to be as the ORIGINAL POSTER said it. It is a very simple concept.

    If my request for not having my quotes edited without the reason for them being edited, or the "emphasis added" noted, is an unreasonable expectation, then I will leave it up to the mods to let me know that. I am not the one trying to be off topic here. I have responded to every other person in this thread without a problem, and the only problem I am having with you is because I requested that you do not edit my quotes to make them appear other than the way I made them.

    I think we just need to move on now.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    Again, I am not saying that the father should be there during the labor, I would honor the mother's wishes for privacy then. But in this case we are not even talking about a father who became a father by way of a casual sexual encounter are we? If it were then I think in a case of a casual relationship, then it would at least be more reasonable to impose a strict separation of the two parties at the hospital. However in this case the father was her fiance. This woman made a decision with this man to not only make this baby, but also at one point to be his wife. I give more weight in this case to the father on those grounds. How much "privacy" did this woman have when she was sleeping with this man and living with him for a long time? I'm sorry, but without proof that there was abuse by this man, I think this woman is being a spoiled brat. She made decisions well before the point of delivering a baby that involved this man, and I think this judge got it wrong.
    And their relationship ended for reasons that we do not know, but it ended none the less and they are not (were not) on the best of terms starting sometime during the end of the pregnancy. It doesn't matter what their prior relationship was. The current tension (or rather that at the time of the birth or assumed to be at the time of the birth) is what matters. Even if they were still together, it is the mother's right to privacy if she feels that his presence would be stressful on her. He has no right to be there, despite his wishes otherwise. It is her health on the line if she is forced to endure stress from a person she doesn't want in her delivery room for whatever the reason, not his. And in fact, that added stress even puts the baby at a higher risk of problems. So it is best, no matter his personal desire to be in the room (because his presence is not necessary) that he not be in the room.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    If they're the natural father then yes......

    Hell, I have 2 brothers and a sister that were delivered at home the "old fashioned way" - at home.

    I suppose there was no question as to who the father was but we - myself included - and my father were there, as well were many close family members and friends.

    IMO, I think it's important for siblings to see their brothers and sisters born. It's a natural process and I'm grateful for having seen 3 live births in my life. IMO, only then you can really put life into context (not as a kid) but latter thinking about that experience..
    See now - I don't believe a birth is everyone's business. It's not a freak show. It's no one's business but her own and the few people essential to ensure it can happen safely - and even then - that's up to her (IE: home birth with a Midwife and Doula as opposed to going to a hospital).

    No one has a right to demand entry into someone's home or hospital room so that is most certainly null and void.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Del Zeppnile View Post
    1.)I am happy to participate in any discussion with anyone at anytime, but I do not wish to have my quotes edited by you or anyone else.
    2.) If you agree to not ever doing that again, then I will be happy to respond.
    3.) But I am not going to respond to anyone who makes it a habit of editing other people's quotes in a manner different than they made them.
    4.) Why do you not see this as a problem?
    5.) Do you not understand the purpose of the quote function? When the quote says, "originally posted by so and so" then the content underneath that, both in actual words and form, is assumed to be as the ORIGINAL POSTER said it. It is a very simple concept.
    6.)If my request for not having my quotes edited without the reason for them being edited, or the "emphasis added" noted, is an unreasonable expectation, then I will leave it up to the mods to let me know that.
    8.) I am not the one trying to be off topic here.
    9.)I have responded to every other person in this thread without a problem, and the only problem I am having with you is because I requested that you do not edit my quotes to make them appear other than the way I made them.
    10.)
    I think we just need to move on now.
    1.) well for long posts i will be continueing to number the points im addressing out of courtesy and easy of clear communication, so the choice is yours
    2.) see #1
    3.) see #1
    4.) because its simply not
    5.) yep and it has no impact to numbering points
    6.) correct and the original content isnt impact one bit, i agree it is a very simply concept
    7.) please do so and read the rules
    8.) yes you are
    9.) correct YOUR problem and see #1. Been posting like this for about 3 out of my 4 years.
    10.) yes you do.

    sorry it bothers you but im not changing it and you are free to not respond.

    again let me know when you can address that points the show your posts to be wrong, thanks
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