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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think of his reason for being there, he obviously thinks it was hugely important for him to be there. As I noted above, what does it matter that I think monogamy is not important to YOUR marriage and that it should be fine for your husband or you to have affairs. What importance does my standard regarding your marriage have? None.

    It doesn't matter that if you were in this man's shoes that you would chose a different path, what matters is that he believed that this was a hugely important principle, enough to take it to court.
    and he found out his feelings actually do NOT matter when it comes to rights, no harm in him trying though.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    just FTR, you can be in the delivery room and not see her "privates", if that is what she is concerned about. more likely, she has a grudge and is using that as an excuse.
    Privacy, peace and calm in the delivery room is even more important than not having your private parts out on show for someone you no longer have any feelings for (at least no longer positive feelings). It is one of the most difficult jobs a woman will ever have to perform and she does not need the added distraction of having some jerk invade her personal privacy and dignity.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Why does he need to be in the delivery room against the mother's (who is the patient) objections to form a bond with his child???

    I am noticing that many of those who think he should be able to force his way in are also against a woman having the choice to abort ..... control issue, perhaps?
    IMO, the man is a selfish jerk. He is bringing the mother of his child into the courtroom because he is throwing his little "me me me" temper tantrum. He is worse than a little child because little children do not know better but a father to be should have more control of himself.

    And I do not know why these men (because most of them are/will be male) are also against abortion. I think it is indeed as you say a messiah complex, women are meant to follow, not decide for themselves and have a mind of their own.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Anything is possible, but the fact that he was willing to go to court for the right to be there for the birth of his child is a positive sign...dontcha think?
    A sign that in the beginning of his parenthood career he will not respect the mothers wishes or feelings or health or welfare.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    I agree with the judges ruling. I don't know why anyone would want to be in a delivery room watching a pregnancy where the woman does not want them to be there. Sounds like of weird anyone would want to do that.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    A sign that in the beginning of his parenthood career he will not respect the mothers wishes or feelings or health or welfare.
    This female privilege is just obscene to observe. The dude is a father - his primary interest should be in his child, not the mother. The mother's interests for the next 20 years don't come before the child's.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    1.)This female privilege is just obscene to observe.
    2.) The dude is a father -
    3.) his primary interest should be in his child, not the mother.
    4.)The mother's interests for the next 20 years don't come before the child's.
    1.) up holding rights in not obscene lol
    2.) meaningless
    3.) seems he doesnt care about either
    4.) interests dont matter this is about everybodys rights
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This female privilege is just obscene to observe. The dude is a father - his primary interest should be in his child, not the mother. The mother's interests for the next 20 years don't come before the child's.
    You do not get that while that umbilical cord is attached, they share the same interests. A stressed out mother focusing on someone she does not want in the delivery room will have a poor progression in labor. If you stress the mom, you stress the fetus.

    This is a power play temper tantrum, no more, no less. He thinks his made up right to invade her privacy trumps her health and welfare.

    The "female" has the same privilege to privacy as the "male does".

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    and he found out his feelings actually do NOT matter when it comes to rights, no harm in him trying though.

    I keep calling you out on this every single time I happen on your posts, and you have no answer. This is your tag-line..

    The world will be a better place when people realize its grey. Life & reality are grey, not black & white, come to the middle, come to reality. I'm Pro-choice, Pro-human rights, pro-gun, pro-equal rights.

    You're actual opinions when expressed and articulated differ tremendously from your stated goal of equal rights when it comes to religion, protecting the unborn humans' rights, and now the right of the Father in this situation to witness his child being born. So how can you say you're for equal rights when clearly you're not. Regardless of whether this couple was estranged shouldn't a Father have an equal right to see his child being born? He's already seen her naked and probably at her most vulnerable, so what right does the mother have to exclude him from the birthing process? What you're really saying is that you believe this mother has a right to be bitter and punish the father of their child. There's no real excuse to deny this man from the room, only superficial irrational arguments that when analyzed really mean that Mom doesn't like Dad anymore, and thus will keep him out just because. Of course she decided to have the money machine in-spite of their relationship's demise; that of course MUST happen, but oh no, sorry Dad, suck it!

    The man had no history of domestic disputes, or violence, he was not a criminal or considered dangerous, some please explain to me why Mom has the right to refuse this man a precious experience, one you can never redo?


    Got anything, or are just going to say that I'm factually this, that, and the other thing..

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    1.)I keep calling you out on this every single time I happen on your posts, and you have no answer. This is your tag-line..
    2.)You're actual opinions when expressed and articulated differ tremendously from your stated goal of equal rights when it comes to religion, protecting the unborn humans' rights, and now the right of the Father in this situation to witness his child being born.
    3.) So how can you say you're for equal rights when clearly you're not.
    4.) Regardless of whether this couple was estranged shouldn't a Father have an equal right to see his child being born?
    5.) He's already seen her naked and probably at her most vulnerable
    6.) so what right does the mother have to exclude him from the birthing process?
    7.) What you're really saying is that you believe this mother has a right to be bitter and punish the father of their child.
    8.) There's no real excuse to deny this man from the room, only superficial irrational arguments that when analyzed really mean that Mom doesn't like Dad anymore, and thus will keep him out just because.
    9.) Of course she decided to have the money machine in-spite of their relationship's demise; that of course MUST happen, but oh no, sorry Dad, suck it!
    10.) The man had no history of domestic disputes, or violence, he was not a criminal or considered dangerous
    11.) some please explain to me why Mom has the right to refuse this man a precious experience, one you can never redo?


    Got anything, or are just going to say that I'm factually this, that, and the other thing..

    Tim-
    1.) yes you have and your posts failed every time
    2.) nope they simply do not. Also the father has no legal right to be in the room and see the birth against the womans will, ZERO.
    if you disagree simply tell us this right?
    3.) because i factually am, real rights not the ones you make up
    4.) thats not a right so the answer is NO
    5.) meaningless to rights, how many girls have you seen naked, does that give you the right to see them now too? lol thats retarded
    6.) easy its her privacy and her medical situation
    7.) nope thats what YOU are saying
    8.) you are welcome to this OPINION but its meaningless, your feelings dont impact rights
    9.) nothing to do with the topic
    10.) meaningless to her rights
    11.) its her right to her privacy and medical situation, sorry you dont like her having rights but she does

    The issue is i stick to facts, reality and actual rights not opinions
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