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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    still no change, just 68 pages now, did we miss anything?
    just FTR, you can be in the delivery room and not see her "privates", if that is what she is concerned about. more likely, she has a grudge and is using that as an excuse.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    1.)just FTR, you can be in the delivery room and not see her "privates"
    2.) if that is what she is concerned about.
    3.) more likely, she has a grudge and is using that as an excuse.
    1.) yes you mentioned this early and its meaningless to the rights she has
    2.) dont know if this is her only concern, youd have to ask her but again it has no impact
    3.) you are free to have this opinion and even if its 100% true it still doesnt matter. In fact she could come out and say the only reason i dont want him in there is because i think he is a piece of **** and i want to hurt his feelings. Its still her right to decided who is in that room and privy to her medical issues/info.

    People can THINK she is wrong and FEEL that its an ignorant thing to do and i may even agree but that doesn't change anything. Law and rights dont care about feelings.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Like you, I agree with the judge. It could lead all kinds of bad situations if one party is there that isn't wanted. There could be a fight. Somebody might try to control the birthing process and medical decisions, etc. drama should be avoided.


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    New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News



    Thoughts?

    So the elements in question:
    1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
    2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

    Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

    I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Of course you see it that way. If you were a women you would complain about the big bad government forcing people into your birthing suite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think it's ****. If I'm the father I have a right to see the child.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    They don't share in the physical burden.



    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Since we require fathers to share in the financial burden of supporting the child, they should have the right to be there at birth. Unless of course, the relationship between the father and mother is so strained that it causes the mother an unreasonable level of emotional distress.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    the constitution does not revolve around just you. This issue regards the privacy rights of another person.



    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't need a medical reason to be there and how in the hell am I acting towards her body by being in the room? Get real. Her right to her body doesn't extend towards the entirety of the room. She doesn't own the damn room. I can be where I damn well please, and I have a right to the child, just as she does. I have a right see my child being born, period.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    just FTR, you can be in the delivery room and not see her "privates", if that is what she is concerned about. more likely, she has a grudge and is using that as an excuse.
    And it would be pretty pointless for him to be in the delivery room for the birth if he wasn't actually seeing the birth itself since it isn't very likely that he is going to be a comfort to her (which is the real reason most men are mainly in the room for the birth of their children, to comfort the mother, not see the actual birth). And there is no way for him to witness the actual birth without looking at her privates. And he doesn't have a right to dictate exactly how long after the birth he gets to see the baby. So what if he has to wait an extra 5, 10, or even 20 minutes after the baby is born to actually see the baby? Who gets to decide which child gets to hold the baby first? Whose right is that? And how long does each parent get for those first bonding moments?
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Oh, I don't know, maybe because that child will be a part of his life until the day he dies and the bond he has with that child might be the most important thing in his life. You know, maybe.
    Why does he need to be in the delivery room against the mother's (who is the patient) objections to form a bond with his child???

    I am noticing that many of those who think he should be able to force his way in are also against a woman having the choice to abort ..... control issue, perhaps?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Why does he need to be in the delivery room against the mother's (who is the patient) objections to form a bond with his child???
    It doesn't matter what you think of his reason for being there, he obviously thinks it was hugely important for him to be there. As I noted above, what does it matter that I think monogamy is not important to YOUR marriage and that it should be fine for your husband or you to have affairs. What importance does my standard regarding your marriage have? None.

    It doesn't matter that if you were in this man's shoes that you would chose a different path, what matters is that he believed that this was a hugely important principle, enough to take it to court.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    It doesn't matter what you think of his reason for being there, he obviously thinks it was hugely important for him to be there. As I noted above, what does it matter that I think monogamy is not important to YOUR marriage and that it should be fine for your husband or you to have affairs. What importance does my standard regarding your marriage have? None.

    It doesn't matter that if you were in this man's shoes that you would chose a different path, what matters is that he believed that this was a hugely important principle, enough to take it to court.
    And some parents feel that they need to do so many inappropriate things to properly bond with their child. But guess what, they are wrong. And there are times, such as this one, when their beliefs about bonding are outweighed by other people's rights and health.
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