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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Let me put it a different way. If your SO asked you to NOT be in the room during the delivery because it would make her feel uncomfortable and/or stressed for some reason, would you force your way into that situation against her will anyways, just to make a point?
    This is a grossly distorted question which presumes the importance of the mother's request and presumes the triviality of the father's position. If you want to play games like this then why not assign to the mother the trivial request and assign to the father the important position?

    What's it to the mother if the father is there or not? Big deal.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is not an option for ALL females, as I'm sure you are aware. Again, your arguments are just stupid.
    Ahh...how?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    So basically, Henrin believes that the man should be able to force his way into the delivery room, regardless of the woman's wishes, and/or completely abandon his responsibility and leave it to others if the man so chooses.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    This is a grossly distorted question which presumes the importance of the mother's request and presumes the triviality of the father's position. If you want to play games like this then why not assign to the mother the trivial request and assign to the father the important position?

    What's it to the mother if the father is there or not? Big deal.
    The simple fact (due to NATURE) is that the mother is the one who has to undergo a procedure or multiple procedures which are very traumatic to her. No one has the RIGHT to be there during that time except her doctors and others that SHE so chooses.

    Otherwise, I could just use the opposite argument and say that women should be able to FORCE men to be in the delivery room and actually participate in the birthing process. WTH?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That certainly doesn't absolve him from responsibility (financial) for supporting the life he helped to create.
    So what he isn't a father and of course not a parent either, but he is still treated like a parent and a father. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

    These arguments are INCREDIBLY simple minded.
    They are constitutional arguments. I enjoy a nation of laws myself.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ahh...how?
    Some women don't believe in abortion and, like it or not, due to nature and it being the woman's body it is HER choice as to whether or not her body is used as an incubator, as much as I personally don't believe in abortion.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Some women don't believe in abortion and, like it or not, due to nature and it being the woman's body it is HER choice as to whether or not her body is used as an incubator, as much as I personally don't believe in abortion.
    Ok, but that wouldn't mean it's not a choice. What about the other choice? How is that not open to all women?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I was in the delivery room for the birth of both my kids. neither time did I see my wife's "privates". I stood at the end of the bed by her head and her lower half was covered by a screen/sheet. The baby came out and the doctor spanked its ass and held it up for us to see.
    So if you weren't there *for her sake* then what would you have done? (I'm not debating with you - but your post triggered the curiosity)

    I'm just puzzled over what the 'I'm here to view the baby coming out' person is going to do without being in the way or useless. In truth: it sounds creepy to have someone standing in the corner ONLY to watch all this go on. I imagine the nurses and doctor would be weirded out, too. Nothing more annoying that someone who is doing nothing and knows nothing just standing around and watching you work while someone's life and health hangs in the balance.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So what he isn't a father and of course not a parent either, but he is still treated like a parent and a father. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

    They are constitutional arguments. I enjoy a nation of laws myself.
    There is no way that the argument could legitimately be made that a person is not considered a parent if they cannot be present in the delivery room for the birth of their child. Plenty of parents do not get that ability or even that opportunity, especially adopting parents, even when they have the adoption paperwork done prior to the birth.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Ok, but that wouldn't mean it's not a choice. What about the other choice? How is that not open to all women?
    Some women wouldn't be able to give their children up for adoption. They are PEOPLE, not baby birthing machines.

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