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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Sorry, but yes, what I said is exactly right. This is even understood when they tax things on the market.
    So what do you want Henrin? The fathers of these children to pay, or the rest of us taxpayers?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The fact that instances like these are stories are testaments to their rarity. In these situations, it's easy to tell who's the man, who's the dog, and who's being bitten.
    Custody should be awarded to the BEST parent period, regardless of the gender. The only reason why it was that way in the past (mothers getting custody as opposed to fathers) is because normally fathers would be working and not able to raise or care for their children, whereas the mothers would be at home, therefore, the fathers would pay child support, and the mothers would do the child rearing. That dynamic is slowly changing now. We have more fathers than ever with full custody rights to their children, so I don't know what you're complaining about.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    He thinks it should be a "choice" for men as to whether they support their children or not.
    It's a violation of the thirteenth amendment if it's not.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    That is not MOTHER SUPPORT it is CHILD SUPPORT and has absolutely no bearing on her rights to privacy. None. Even if they were married. Get over it, you do not have control over a woman's body.
    You can call it whatever name you want, the mother is paid the money, not the child. If a woman wants to claim it's her body and no one has the right to control it, that's fine. Then they should bear the sole responsibility for what happens to their body, meaning that they should bear the SOLE responsibility for pregnancy and it's results and the father should not be required to share in the financial responsibility of the child. If women want to claim absolute control over their body, then they should bear absolute responsibility for what happens to their body.

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Paying child support does not come with an engraved invitation to invade a woman's privacy.
    If the woman doesn't want the man in her business, then don't she should not let him put his penis in her. Getting pregnant is not an right to extract financial resources from a man, as some women have turned it into.

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    And by the way, child support starts AFTER the baby is born. So if you think the child support is some kind of entrance ticket, it doesn't even hold up there. The baby is still connected to the mother until the cord is cut.
    By the way having a baby does not make a woman a prima donna who can claim she is independent, but at the same time demands that a man gives her financial support for having a baby.

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    And again, a person in labor already is physiologically and emotionally stressed. Having a person in the room that she does not want there is much more stressful. Why would the soon to be father want the mother MORE stressed out in the delivery room? Does he want her blood pressure higher? Does he want her to alter her focus from giving birth to the guy she is estranged from that she doesn't want in the room. If it ain't healthy for mom, it probably ain't healthy for the baby. But somehow the dad feels it is all about him.
    And again the two of them should come to an agreement. If it were me and she didn't want me there I would respect that. However if the two of them can't agree, she should make her case to a reasonable, objective 3rd party, and not assume the role of an arrogant prima donna that passes unilateral edicts from on high that the father has to pay child support but has absolutely no right to be there when the baby is born.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    The fact that instances like these are stories are testaments to their rarity. In these situations, it's easy to tell who's the man, who's the dog, and who's being bitten.
    You mean 15% of child support coming from women is considered a "rarity"? The point these stories are making is that this is a major change from the past, when women didn't pay child support pretty much at all. That is changing. It can't change overnight. This issue is too deeply rooted in our society and too controlled by individual beliefs and views on roles of mothers and fathers in a child's life.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's a violation of the thirteenth amendment if it's not.
    It isn't servitude to pay for the child that you voluntarily created. No one made you do that.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    No one made the woman let the man put his penis in her.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    He thinks it should be a "choice" for men as to whether they support their children or not.
    I think I should be 5'11" tall.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

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    It's not to demean men. It's to demean sperm donors.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    You mean 15% of child support coming from women is considered a "rarity"? The point these stories are making is that this is a major change from the past, when women didn't pay child support pretty much at all. That is changing. It can't change overnight. This issue is too deeply rooted in our society and too controlled by individual beliefs and views on roles of mothers and fathers in a child's life.
    No kidding, and I would be the first one to admit that there are certainly "mothers" out there who should not have custody either. I'm familiar with two cases off the top of my head of people I know personally where the mother was denied custody and the fathers awarded full custody. In one of these cases, the mother isn't even allowed visitation because of her drug addiction and past neglect of the child while in her care.

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