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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

    The Mother = A Christian Baker
    The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

    All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

    This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

    Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.
    Ridiculous and paranoid.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Just helping your thinking out here. A Christian Baker also doesn't want to have anything to do with a homosexual "marriage" but what he wants doesn't matter. The principle in play here is FORCED ASSOCIATION.
    I am sorry but that comparison is insane and totally

    The woman is not a company or is selling anything.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Just helping your thinking out here. A Christian Baker also doesn't want to have anything to do with a homosexual "marriage" but what he wants doesn't matter. The principle in play here is FORCED ASSOCIATION.
    I don't think anyone here needs YOUR help with their thinking. Please spare us.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News



    Thoughts?

    So the elements in question:
    1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
    2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

    Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

    I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.
    Personally, I don't see this as anything but the protection of a patient's right to privacy and the conditions of his/her treatment. Issues related to access to the child can be discussed/determined/debated/litigated outside of the area in which a medical procedure is performed.

    Just as a side note, how would a hospital know for certain that any particular man is the father of a child unless or until the child is born or removed from the mother's body?

    Their marital or any other status is also irrelevant, in my opinion. If I'm in the hospital having a procedure, I should be able to dictate who's in the room other than medically necessary professionals unless I'm unconscious and/or uncommunicative and someone needs to be there to speak or act on my behalf. I would imagine there's lots of occasions when wives don't want their husbands in the delivery room because they make them nervous or cause problems.

    Honour the patient's wishes - simple concept, to me.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Just helping your thinking out here. A Christian Baker also doesn't want to have anything to do with a homosexual "marriage" but what he wants doesn't matter. The principle in play here is FORCED ASSOCIATION.
    I think the mother will be fascinated to learn that her decision to keep her ex-boyfriend out of her private medical procedure has just been likened to abortion rights, the gay marriage debate and discrimination as a whole.

    Damn. I can only imagine what'll happen if a story gets out about me returning a tv to Best Buy.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I don't see this as anything but the protection of a patient's right to privacy and the conditions of his/her treatment. Issues related to access to the child can be discussed/determined/debated/litigated outside of the area in which a medical procedure is performed.

    Just as a side note, how would a hospital know for certain that any particular man is the father of a child unless or until the child is born or removed from the mother's body?

    Their marital or any other status is also irrelevant, in my opinion. If I'm in the hospital having a procedure, I should be able to dictate who's in the room other than medically necessary professionals unless I'm unconscious and/or uncommunicative and someone needs to be there to speak or act on my behalf. I would imagine there's lots of occasions when wives don't want their husbands in the delivery room because they make them nervous or cause problems.

    Honour the patient's wishes - simple concept, to me.
    Great post CJ. I couldn't agree more.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think the mother will be fascinated to learn that her decision to keep her ex-boyfriend out of her private medical procedure has just been likened to abortion rights, the gay marriage debate and discrimination as a whole.

    Damn. I can only imagine what'll happen if a story gets out about me returning a tv to Best Buy.
    I didn't read the whole thread, but I sure hope this discussion hasn't veered into abortion rights.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I didn't read the whole thread, but I sure hope this discussion hasn't veered into abortion rights.
    Ecofarm tried to take it there beginning in post #25, but eventually he dropped it.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

    The Mother = A Christian Baker
    The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

    All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

    This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

    Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.
    Did she file for a baby with the state like the baker did when they got a business license?
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, I think that their whining about having to support THEIR child says a boat load about where some of these people are coming from. Being in the room for the delivery has nothing to do with supporting the child and providing it with what it needs and taking responsibility. I don't how or why they are trying to equate responsibility for your child and being present for the delivery of the child. The two are completely unrelated, and there is not one person who has a "right" to be in the delivery room with mom unless the doctors and she agree that a particular person or people can be there. Sometimes, if there are complications, the doctors won't let anyone in the room. Those are the breaks and that's life. These guys are making a BIG deal out of nothing to try to prove some point about responsibility where no point exists.
    100% correct its desperation to seem like they have a valid point when they do not
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