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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Being in the delivery room is certainly not a "right" for ANYONE.
    The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

    The Mother = A Christian Baker
    The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

    All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

    This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

    Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Being in the delivery room is certainly not a "right" for ANYONE.
    100% correct but the womans rights done matter to some people
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    If she is not allowing access to the baby soon after birth, now that is not right. Has that been in question?

    If she is trying to prevent that - I would wholeheartedly disagree with her.
    I think we are on the same page. There isn't much information. I was just throwing that out there as a what if. I understand her right to privacy while she is giving birth. I also understand that he wants to "be there" when the baby is first born. My thought is this would be a good compromise.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

    The Mother = A Christian Baker
    The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

    All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

    This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

    Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.
    Yes, the woman is a discriminator because she does not want an estranged ex-boyfriend in her delivery room when she is lying naked, vulnerable and in horrible pain trying to give life to her as yet unborn child. HOW DARE SHE!!!!

    Or better yet, how dare anyone even claim such a thing. Last time I checked the woman's vagina was not selling food to anyone. Your analogy is total and utterly stupid and makes no sense whatsoever.

    Again, there is no law that states that you have to allow anyone access to your delivery room. There is however a ruling from the highest court in the land that you are not allowed to discriminate against people because of their color, race, gender or sexual preference who want to enjoy the same service at a company that everybody else enjoys.

    The woman in this case is not doing anything like that. She is not a business, she is not selling her vagina and she does not discriminate against anyone. She just does not want to have the ex-boyfriend in the delivery room as she gives birth to her child.

    This is the whole problem with some conservatives, they drag stuff into discussions that have nothing to do with this subject, that makes no sense and has no bearing on this discussion whatsoever.

    Not being allowed into the delivery room has nothing to do with someone getting to know their child, there is no need for him to be there.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

    The Mother = A Christian Baker
    The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

    All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

    This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

    Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    100% correct but the womans rights done matter to some people
    Well, like I said earlier, it seems to me more like some of these guys commenting have something to prove.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Well, like I said earlier, it seems to me more like some of these guys commenting have something to prove.
    something to prove or simply dont care or understand rights or think the women are lessers
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The mother is a damn,dirty discriminator against the father. Let me help you in your thinking.

    The Mother = A Christian Baker
    The Father = A Gay Dude wanting a wedding cake.

    All across this board liberals have been forthright in declaring that they don't believe in the right of free association.

    This woman has no right to reject the forced association the father is trying to begin. She's a discriminator. She's trying to exercise a right to free association that liberals don't believe in or don't value.

    Don't enable this type of evil behavior. Don't reward a discriminator. Force her into an association like you would the Christian Baker.
    Holy crap. This is possibly one of the worst arguments I have encountered on this site. Because not wanting to have anything to do with one estranged ex-boyfriend is completely like wholesale discrimination against blacks or gays or other minority groups.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Holy crap. This is possibly one of the worst arguments I have encountered on this site. Because not wanting to have anything to do with
    Just helping your thinking out here. A Christian Baker also doesn't want to have anything to do with a homosexual "marriage" but what he wants doesn't matter. The principle in play here is FORCED ASSOCIATION.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    something to prove or simply dont care or understand rights or think the women are lessers
    Well, I think that their whining about having to support THEIR child says a boat load about where some of these people are coming from. Being in the room for the delivery has nothing to do with supporting the child and providing it with what it needs and taking responsibility. I don't how or why they are trying to equate responsibility for your child and being present for the delivery of the child. The two are completely unrelated, and there is not one person who has a "right" to be in the delivery room with mom unless the doctors and she agree that a particular person or people can be there. Sometimes, if there are complications, the doctors won't let anyone in the room. Those are the breaks and that's life. These guys are making a BIG deal out of nothing to try to prove some point about responsibility where no point exists.

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