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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    They're estranged. He has a right to see the child AFTER it's born. He doesn't get to be in the room for ANY sort of medical procedure, including birth unless she says he can.
    He can simply sue her for financial damage to compensate him for the loss of an irreplaceable experience. Simple.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Yes, she does. Her body, her hospital room, her condition being addressed. You've got no medical reason to be there. It's only been very recently that anyone except properly presented medical personnel were allowed in the birthing room. I suggest if you don't want to be in this position, be very careful who you choose to get pregnant.
    I don't need a medical reason to be there and how in the hell am I acting towards her body by being in the room? Get real. Her right to her body doesn't extend towards the entirety of the room. She doesn't own the damn room. I can be where I damn well please, and I have a right to the child, just as she does. I have a right see my child being born, period.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I think her input is important. But she should be able to demonstrate to a objective 3rd party that it would indeed be the case. I would feel differently about it if we didn't require fathers to share in the financial burden of supporting a child.
    That requirement would put an unreasonable burden on any woman's stress level. Ever heard of hormones, women are jacked up like crazy while pregnant, no one should expect them to be perfectly rational, and to try to prove something to a judgmental third party???? FTS.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I don't need a medical reason to be there and how in hell I am acting towards her body by being in the room? Get real. Her right to her body doesn't extend towards the entirety of the room. She doesn't own the damn room. I can be where I damn well please, and I have a right to the child, just as she does. I have a right see my child being born, period.
    Actually for anything except birth yes, you do. Sorry. And again, only recently-ish have men been allowed at births at all due to the lack of medical necessity of a man being there. Hospitals are NOT there for you observe other people's conditions, unless or until you are invited and approved by the med staff.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Wow, I think this is the key sentence for many aspects of paternal rights v maternal rights. One could easily expand that to "any interest any party has before the child's birth is subordinate to the mother's interests."
    You don't seem to grasp that some people consider a fetus to be a person. How can you say to them that the "child's" right to life is subordinate to the mother's right to privacy? That just doesn't work with any intellectual honesty.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    That requirement would put an unreasonable burden on any woman's stress level. Ever heard of hormones, women are jacked up like crazy while pregnant, no one should expect them to be perfectly rational, and to try to prove something to a judgmental third party???? FTS.
    No it's not unreasonable. If she doesn't want him there, she should be able to demonstrate why his presence would be disruptive. I've been around pregnant women. Even when they are not pregnant hormones can make women respond in funny ways.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    He can simply sue her for financial damage to compensate him for the loss of an irreplaceable experience. Simple.
    Yeah, and that would just end up costing him the legal fees in the end. It's a medical procedure and she gets to say who attends and who doesn't. Once again, they're not even married, so he doesn't even have that argument to make.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Actually for anything except birth yes, you do. Sorry. And again, only recently-ish have men been allowed at births at all due to the lack of medical necessity of a man being there. Hospitals are NOT there for you observe other people's conditions, unless or until you are invited and approved by the med staff.
    You were arguing that somehow the man is acting towards the woman by being the room. Prove it. You were also arguing that she has the right to control who is in a room on property she does not own. Again, prove it. Explain to me exactly what grounds there is for women to stop men from seeing their child from being born. Go ahead, I would love to hear it.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    He can simply sue her for financial damage to compensate him for the loss of an irreplaceable experience. Simple.
    Watching someone else have a baby isn't "experiencing" much of anything, it's watching.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's ****. It's my child as well as hers. She has no right to stop me from seeing it being born. I'm absolutely sick of mothers being permitted to step on the rights of fathers.
    Yeah it's disgusting how father's rights are trampled on.

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