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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Name me a case. I can only think of cases where the woman was obviously dysfunctional in some way or another. Otherwise, the man has no reason to even show up.
    did you just say "ALWAYS" and then proceed to admit you know of cases yourself that prove its not "always"?

    thank you for proving your post wrong and facts right again
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, unless you have some factual information that would lead me to take the father's side, you really can't expect me to share your indignation here.
    It was a general argument on how courts treat fathers, not one about this situation.

    I do however think it's absurd we are even arguing this. There is nothing wrong with a father that wants to take part in a major event of his child's life and it disgusts me that the court is allowing the mother to block him from taking part in it. I'm kind of done talking about this issue since apparently men are good for nothing but money.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    did you just say "ALWAYS" and then proceed to admit you know of cases yourself that prove its not "always"?

    thank you for proving your post wrong and facts right again
    So do you agree that the only way a man can win is if the woman is ****ed up somehow? There might be exceptions to the rule of course, but would you agree that is the rule?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    The interesting thing is that many women don't actually get to ever see their children born. Yes, we experience it, but not really see it (not head and body out of the vagina anyway). I have two sons and I did not see my own hoohah while having them at all (not that I see this as a big problem). My husband was there for the first, and my sister saw both. He saw more than I did (the first glimpse I had of my firstborn was when the doctors and nurses (there were about 7-8 total in the room by the time he came out) were wrapping him in blankets as they moved him over to clean him up and do the apgar tests on him, I remember thinking I delivered a xenomorph from Aliens from that brief glimpse I had of him while they stitched me up). Pretty sure women don't even have this claimed right to see their child born considering doctors can put a woman under for a C-section if need be.

    There is no right to see your child being born. There is right to access to the child, but even that is limited, especially if the couple having the child is not married to each other and/or separated. And considering that many hospitals are putting the babies in with the mother from birth to discharge now, the mother would even likely have a right to deny access to her room, limiting access to the child even more. This decision will always come down to the mother's right to decide who she wants in the delivery room (after the hospital clears that people can be there), no matter where she delivers that child (with the only exception being if she delivers in some unexpected place accidentally) because her privacy, comfort and stress level while delivering the child is always going to outweigh any access rights to the child the father of the child might want to claim. This is her medical procedure. The baby isn't included until the baby is born.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So do you agree that the only way a man can win is if the woman is ****ed up somehow? There might be exceptions to the rule of course, but would you agree that is the rule?
    I don't agree with the factually wrong statement that its always in favor of the mother and i dont agree with the factually wrong statement and backpedal that only if the mother is ****ed up some how

    no, that is factually not the rule or correct.

    you could tell us thats the OPINION you have but it would be wrong
    you could say the majority of decisions go with the mom and id guess youd be right

    but your first two statments are factually wrong
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    I don't agree with the factually wrong statement that its always in favor of the mother and i dont agree with the factually wrong statement and backpedal that only if the mother is ****ed up some how

    no, that is factually not the rule or correct.

    you could tell us thats the OPINION you have but it would be wrong
    you could say the majority of decisions go with the mom and id guess youd be right

    but your first two statments are factually wrong
    Ok, then show me how I'm wrong. I will even admit I'm wrong and back down, but I'm not doing anything like that just yet.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    If they aren't married I think it changes things. Technically, as a single individual it should be her right who is in the room.

    However, I can't help but feel for the dad as well being forced to not be allowed to see the birth of his son while still being expected to pay for the child and do all other fatherly duties. Then again, in past decades fathers weren't even allowed in the room since they seemingly got in the way of the staff and would panic and whatnot.

    It's almost a gray area between the right of a father to see and be with their child over the privacy of the mom in a healthcare setting. I can understand each side and it's hard to actually put anything into consistency.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    1.)I do however think it's absurd we are even arguing this.
    2.) There is nothing wrong with a father that wants to take part in a major event of his child's life
    3.) and it disgusts me that the court is allowing the mother to block him from taking part in it.
    4.) I'm kind of done talking about this issue since apparently men are good for nothing but money.
    1.) i agree 100% its absurd you are arguing to violate the womns rights
    2.) who said it was WRONG for simply "wanting" this?
    3.) sorry that the courts protecting the women's rights disgusts you
    4.) this is just worthless hyperbole since facts are against you
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    We know with absolute certainty that the man is extremely committed to his point of view. We can only rely on conjecture about what might transpire with respect to the mother's stress during delivery.

    Certainty trumps conjecture.
    GOOD LORD, it is the safety and well being of mother and child we are talking about!!!! GET A GRIP.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It was a general argument on how courts treat fathers, not one about this situation.

    I do however think it's absurd we are even arguing this. There is nothing wrong with a father that wants to take part in a major event of his child's life and it disgusts me that the court is allowing the mother to block him from taking part in it. I'm kind of done talking about this issue since apparently men are good for nothing but money.
    The decision had nothing to do with being anti-man, anti-father or whatever. The judge cites two United States Supreme Court rulings and and one New Jersey Supreme Court ruling referring to a woman's right to privacy. Anti-male sentiments have nothing to do with the price of tea in China. The father has no cause to be exempt from three separate Supreme Court rulings.

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