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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No doubt. Courts always rule in favor of the woman. Always.
    I for one am not assuming who the court should rule in favor of seeing as all the article mentioned was that they were estranged and nothing more. Unless you're privy to information the rest of us are not?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    But that bond has nothing to do with being in the delivery room against the mother's wishes.
    I'm sure that if I knew you better that we could talk about your deeply held values. Then I could tell you that your values are meaningless. Would my telling you that your values are meaningless actually make your values meaningless?

    Would you, if you were in this man's shoes, have taken this issue to court? I'm guessing not because you probably don't think the issue is that important. Well, he took the issue to court, so he probably thinks it's pretty damn important to him.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I for one am not assuming who the court should rule in favor of seeing as all the article mentioned was that they were estranged and nothing more. Unless you're privy to information the rest of us are not?
    Do you doubt what I'm saying is not only probable, but a guaranteed result? Why would you think that?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    And apparently that emotional need for a bond is more important than the health and welfare of the child.
    We know with absolute certainty that the man is extremely committed to his point of view. We can only rely on conjecture about what might transpire with respect to the mother's stress during delivery.

    Certainty trumps conjecture.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No doubt. Courts always rule in favor of the woman. Always.
    as usual, factually false
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you doubt what I'm saying is not only probable, but a guaranteed result? Why would you think that?
    You may or may not be right. I don't know the statistics for these things (I assume by "always" you exaggerated for dramatic effect). But from your tone and your posts in this thread you seem to have a very clear opinion about how the court should rule. Would I be wrong about that?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    as usual, factually false
    Name me a case. I can only think of cases where the woman was obviously dysfunctional in some way or another. Otherwise, the man has no reason to even show up.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You may or may not be right. I don't know the statistics for these things (I assume by "always" you exaggerated for dramatic effect). But from your tone and your posts in this thread you seem to have a very clear opinion about how the court should rule. Would I be wrong about that?
    Yes, I exaggerated for effect, but even still, it's not much of an exaggeration.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    The OP was sort of a crap article (no offense Aunt Spiker). This one goes into much more detail on the privacy concerns and constitutional amendments that led to the judge's decision. For lulz, however, you really just can't beat the last bit of the article:

    Mothers can block dads from delivery rooms, New Jersey judge rules | syracuse.com

    Bruce Eden of Dads Against Discrimination told NJ.com that the ruling was "another example of New Jersey's anti-male discrimination in the family courts." Divorce and custody settlements give fathers financial obligations for child rearing but not the same rights as mothers and wives, he said,

    "It takes two to tango," Eden said. "Why are they allowing only the mother?"

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yes, I exaggerated for effect, but even still, it's not much of an exaggeration.
    Well, unless you have some factual information that would lead me to take the father's side, you really can't expect me to share your indignation here.

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