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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So we are assuming she cheated? Ok.
    No, but the only one who has proven parental rights are the mothers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Yeah, yeah, because the **** she asks for doesn't cause that. Does no one really get the point of my argument earlier? Do people realize that the pain meds women get can very well kill the child and adversely affects it's chances of survival? This whole thing women need it is to the most part ****. All child births are painful and besides the exception to the rule the stress to the child is not above the norm.
    You don't have a point of argument IMHO. Women choose natural child births or take epidural pain relief or pain relief if such a thing is wanted or desired. With medications there are always risks, but with no pain medication the childbirth can be very stressful, leading to more stress hormones which can lead to longer labor and more risks to the child. If the risks were unacceptable no doctor would prescribe or administer pain medication. Women have to be carefully informed about which methods they can use to have a child with no pain medication but they have to be realistic enough that pain medication may be best for both mother and child.

    And this is just one more reason why women have to have the right to make their own medical decisions is because men are not qualified or justified to make medical decisions over the wishes of their wives/girlfriends etc. (not when it comes to childbirth and the pain and discomfort to women and also not when it comes to any other medical decision about a woman's body).

    IMHO, if men would be the ones who had to be pregnant and have children mankind would be doomed. So unless you are the one having that child yourself, you have no business telling that woman how to live her life or choose how she is going to have her baby. If men had to live through that pain there would by now have been a "pain free" solution to childbirth (or that is what some people think).

    Childbirth is much safer now compared to decades ago, pain management during labor has evolved and the risks are nowhere nearly as big as you are trying to claim. The risk to mothers during childbirth is much higher than the risks to children, even with the pain medications. In a magical wonderful world women would be able to magically have children safely with no pain then there would be no need for pain medication. But in this realistic and actual world there is a lot of pain with childbirth, pain and stress and both things are dangerous to the child.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    21 pages and nothgin has changed

    the mothers rights were upheld and the fathers also remain intact
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    What did I say exactly that is hating on women? lol. She doesn't own the room, and being in the room is not acting on her body. Both are facts. There is no reason that she would have a right to control the room and who is in it. Here is the thing, she is in a room owned by someone else with her pussy out for all to see. Anyone can come into that room and see it. The father saw the ****ing thing already, so really, wtf is your complaint about exactly? That he will see it again? It's kind of weird to **** a dude, decide to have his kid, and then complain he might see your pussy.
    It's a VAGINA. V-A-G-I-N-A.

    She has a right to medical privacy. Period.

    Why would any man want to be there if she has that big of an objection anyway???

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    21 pages and nothgin has changed

    the mothers rights were upheld and the fathers also remain intact
    Exactly...what is next....parents demanding to be there for every individual milestone???

    First poop.

    First regurgitation

    First time he can hold his head up.

    First roll over.

    Fist backward crawl

    First forward crawl.

    First cruise.

    First step.

    Seriously.

    At least with those things the mothers health is not at risk.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's a nice theory but lacks in credible evidence since it is a rather recent phenomenon. Again, history suggests a tight emotional bond may be developed without the father's presense at birth. Considering all the child is seeing at that point are blobs I doubt the father's presense has any impact upon the child at birth at all, other than upsetting the mother.
    I gotta wonder how many of these men would be nowhere to be found when it's diaper changing time.....

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Why would any man want to be there if she has that big of an objection anyway???
    Oh, I don't know, maybe because that child will be a part of his life until the day he dies and the bond he has with that child might be the most important thing in his life. You know, maybe.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    but she doesnt because there are no rights of the father being lost was my point

    i do agree the the mother chooses who is in the room and sees her yahoo and that is the end of story.

    but the question was asked why does the mother get GREATER rights, she doesnt, she only gets her rights which are NORMAL since there is no right of anybody else to see her yahoo, not even the guy that does or used to google her yahoo
    Never heard it called a yahoo before lol. I'm amazed at how many have such difficulty with the word 'vagina' but I was raised by a nurse who had no tolerance for 'cutesy' names for body parts, functions etc.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Scrabaholic View Post
    Never heard it called a yahoo before lol. I'm amazed at how many have such difficulty with the word 'vagina' but I was raised by a nurse who had no tolerance for 'cutesy' names for body parts, functions etc.
    hahah

    well i was just trying to be funny but i do like the funny phrase "google her yahoo" just because of the double meanings/word relation
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News



    Thoughts?

    So the elements in question:
    1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
    2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

    Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

    I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.
    Personally, I think it's somewhat fascinating that this was even something that needed to be a court case. Nobody should be required to be in the presence of somebody they don't wish to be. While I'm sure people can think of exceptions, this ain't one of them.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Personally, I think it's somewhat fascinating that this was even something that needed to be a court case. Nobody should be required to be in the presence of somebody they don't wish to be. While I'm sure people can think of exceptions, this ain't one of them.
    I agree, im shocked it ever made it to court and wasnt just laughed at
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