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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    I think it's ****. If I'm the father I have a right to see the child.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

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    New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News



    Thoughts?

    So the elements in question:
    1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
    2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

    Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

    I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.
    Since we require fathers to share in the financial burden of supporting the child, they should have the right to be there at birth. Unless of course, the relationship between the father and mother is so strained that it causes the mother an unreasonable level of emotional distress.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think it's ****. If I'm the father I have a right to see the child.
    He got to see the child, just not the birth itself. As Agent J suggests above, a woman gets to decide who sees her hoohah, both if and when.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    He got to see the child, just not the birth itself. As Agent J suggests above, a woman gets to decide who sees her hoohah, both if and when.
    It's ****. It's my child as well as hers. She has no right to stop me from seeing it being born. I'm absolutely sick of mothers being permitted to step on the rights of fathers.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    Since we require fathers to share in the financial burden of supporting the child, they should have the right to be there at birth. Unless of course, the relationship between the father and mother is so strained that it causes the mother an unreasonable level of emotional distress.
    And who better to determine what an unreasonable level of stress is,.... oh, right, the birthing mother.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    He got to see the child, just not the birth itself. As Agent J suggests above, a woman gets to decide who sees her hoohah, both if and when.
    correct there was no denial of seeing the child
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's ****. It's my child as well as hers. She has no right to stop me from seeing it being born.
    Yes, she does. Her body, her hospital room, her condition being addressed. You've got no medical reason to be there. It's only been very recently that anyone except properly presented medical personnel were allowed in the birthing room. I suggest if you don't want to be in this position, be very careful who you choose to get pregnant.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's ****. It's my child as well as hers. She has no right to stop me from seeing it being born. I'm absolutely sick of mothers being permitted to step on the rights of fathers.
    They're estranged. He has a right to see the child AFTER it's born. He doesn't get to be in the room for ANY sort of medical procedure, including birth unless she says he can.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    And who better to determine what an unreasonable level of stress is,.... oh, right, the birthing mother.
    I think her input is important. But she should be able to demonstrate to a objective 3rd party that it would indeed be the case. I would feel differently about it if we didn't require fathers to share in the financial burden of supporting a child.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Since the men losing interest in "mothers" has been around since before fathers were allowed in the birthing room, I think it has a lot more to do with the woman becoming regularly exhausted and regularly focusing on children that is the key to men not feeling as though they are the center of the woman's world. Without that, men seem to lose interest. Additionally there's the whole Madonna/Magdalen issue.
    This is what I'm talking about but I'm extending the question further. Pre-children, when the husband looks at the naked wife, or to be specific, a sexual organ, he is sexually excited. Keep in mind that I'm not talking about every guy here, but I suspect that there are guys who after witnessing birth can't see their wife, or that region of her body, in the same way or it takes them a while to purge the imagery.

    So, IF THIS IS TRUE, then these men trade a supposedly closer bond with their children in exchange for a lesser sexual bond with their wives. I wonder if anyone has studied this?

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