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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by year2late View Post
    Just not the right to demand entrance into the delivery room. It is not just a privacy issue, if the woman feels she would be more stressed by him being there, ADIOS. This is for the physiological well being of mother and child.
    If the mother of my child indicated that she didn't want me there, I would respect that. However, the two of them should work that out. If they can't. The mother should be able to convince a reasonable, objective 3rd party, why the farther should not be there, if he wants to be there and she doesn't want him there. That's what I'm saying.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    I believe as MaggieD pointed out, according to HIPPA, it is your right to decide all manner of personal contact during a stay at the hospital. So it is law. This man was trying to change the law to include fathers' rights to birthing rooms.
    No I mean I hope they ban all fathers from the birthing room. Watching my wife give birth was horrific lol!
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    You're making an objective judgment regarding a subjective issue. The father sure believes that this is necessary for his relationship with his child.

    An analogy would be telling a bride that a church wedding isn't necessary to her happiness. Lots of people get married by a Justice of the Peace. Her lifelong dream of a church wedding is inconsequential TO YOU.

    This is about the relationship between the father and his child. It's about what he thinks is important and in the best interests of his child.
    The mother isn't with the child. She is delivering the child. Then, the mother is in a bed while the nurses are with the child.

    When fathers are present in an invited means they even are not with the child.

    It's delivery time - it's not playtime at the Packston's.

    If a guy THINKS he'll have some sort of a bonding moment he's full of it - he can bond later. All of this comes across as an insensitive "I want to do whatever i want to do and I don't care what really needs to be done!" controlling psychoticism.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    The father is acting in the child's best interest while the mother is acting in her own best interest. Child's interest always trumps parent's interest.
    No, the mother is the one who is acting in her and her child's best interest. The father is just an insensitive arrogant selfish jerk who chooses to put his non-existent right over the woman's right to expectancy of privacy.

    What is next? The right of a father to have the birth videotaped? The right of the father to make selfies with the baby when she is a few seconds old? Men should be supportive of women during the difficult birthing process and not making it harder for her by lawsuits and imposing himself into a room where he is not wanted by the only person who counts in this instance, the mother who is giving birth.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    No, the mother is the one who is acting in her and her child's best interest. The father is just an insensitive arrogant selfish jerk who chooses to put his non-existent right over the woman's right to expectancy of privacy.

    What is next? The right of a father to have the birth videotaped? The right of the father to make selfies with the baby when she is a few seconds old? Men should be supportive of women during the difficult birthing process and not making it harder for her by lawsuits and imposing himself into a room where he is not wanted by the only person who counts in this instance, the mother who is giving birth.
    Yes - what is next?

    So: if the mother goes into labor while father is out of state have his rights been denied? Are prisoners then allowed to leave jail and go see their abused wives deliver the baby because their rights are being denied?

    See: it just doesn't stick.

    If a guy is loving, caring, and actually supportive then the odds are that she'll want him there. If he makes her feel bad, or if he's a total nutjob and has a thing for delivery porn (I've actually come across some people who have breeding, impregnation, and delivery fetishes) then who protects her?

    Why is it that women are constantly being demoted as human beings because they're pregnant and having children? Jesus.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Do you realize your argument would mean that women can't take anything for pain as it can adversely affect the health and well being of the child?
    Are you n the medical field?

    If a mother is in immense pain, it will physiologically have a negative effect on the mother and possibly baby.

    A mother stroking out from a hypertensive crisis due to excruciating pain is just FITH!

    I do not think many of you appreciate the risks of childbirth and labor and delivery.

    But on the pain control note, many women try for a natural childbirth. They may even go through classes to manage the pain and facilitate child birth. Of utmost importance is relaxation. Having an unwelcome observer seems like it is the polar opposite of attempting to maintain relaxation.

    Seriously guys. Give it up. You want control and you cannot have it.

    In the case of the man taking the pregnant woman to court....does anybody here think this was emotionally or physiologically a good thing for the mom (and baby that shares her life)

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    He is the father of the child. He isn't just some random dude coming in that has no connection to the woman or the baby. It's absurd to argue that he should be locked out.
    I am sorry, but at best he is the possible father of that child. Last time I checked he did not have a DNA test done pre-birth that proves that. Until that he is just the partner of that woman and IMHO has about as much rights as any ex-boyfriend of the mother who has a relationship with her close to when the ZEF was conceived.

    This jerk (putting a woman through such a thing before having to give birth, this will not be good for her blood pressure and might even hurt the health of the child) should wait until the child is born and not make the birthing process incredibly more difficult for the mother.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    The mother isn't with the child. She is delivering the child. Then, the mother is in a bed while the nurses are with the child.

    When fathers are present in an invited means they even are not with the child.

    It's delivery time - it's not playtime at the Packston's.

    If a guy THINKS he'll have some sort of a bonding moment he's full of it - he can bond later. All of this comes across as an insensitive "I want to do whatever i want to do and I don't care what really needs to be done!" controlling psychoticism.
    To be fair, it's not entirely unheard of.

    My father got to cut the umbilical chord and hold me within a few minutes of my birth.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I am sorry, but at best he is the possible father of that child. Last time I checked he did not have a DNA test done pre-birth that proves that. Until that he is just the partner of that woman and IMHO has about as much rights as any ex-boyfriend of the mother who has a relationship with her close to when the ZEF was conceived.
    So we are assuming she cheated? Ok.

    This jerk (putting a woman through such a thing before having to give birth, this will not be good for her blood pressure and might even hurt the health of the child) should wait until the child is born and not make the birthing process incredibly more difficult for the mother.
    Yeah, yeah, because the **** she asks for doesn't cause that. Does no one really get the point of my argument earlier? Do people realize that the pain meds women get can very well kill the child and adversely affects it's chances of survival? This whole thing women need it is to the most part ****. All child births are painful and besides the exception to the rule the stress to the child is not above the norm.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    To be fair, it's not entirely unheard of.

    My father got to cut the umbilical chord and hold me within a few minutes of my birth.
    It's only sweet and loving when the mother and father have a connection. My husband was able to do all sorts of things because we were together. It was not because I was pregnant with his baby.

    If guys don't want to lose that possibility then they need to address relationship and other issues when they come up. You cannot demand marital-level rights and privileges when you're not on that level together as a couple. That's the whole value of marriage or of having that close connection: you don't miss out on all those wonderful things in life when you're a couple.
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