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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And that's the point I have been making. Father's rights are trampled upon.
    No, again, for the thousandth time, there are no father's rights here. There's nothing to be trampled. What you are calling "rights" are entirely fictional and not supported by history in any culture or by law.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    1. The right to privacy.
    How is that argument valid? Who owns the hospital?

    2. The right to choose who sees her during a medical procedure.
    How?

    3. The right to choose who enters a room she has essentially rented at a hospital.
    How has she rented the room?

    I'm sure there are more.
    Doubtful.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    And that's the point I have been making. Father's rights are trampled upon.
    There is no right to view the birth. This is not trampling on father's rights, this is respecting the privacy and the security a woman deserves to peacefully give birth to her child.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    None of what you wrote erases his degree of commitment. What you describe are external hindrances placed upon the father and child and their bond by circumstance, the mother, and the court.
    Okay, so? In the absense of any rights, the father's commitment is, as it always is, up to him. His legal and moral duties to the child remain unchanged.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it's not. There is a whole bunch of law regarding medical privacy.
    Ok then, support the law. If the state owns the hospital or a private individual than exactly how does she have the right to control access to the room?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I probably should not say this, but I have a business. A couple of months ago this lady came in who wanted to buy something. She told me she would return after she got her DNA test done. It's totally disgusting that's the way some people think.
    No doubt about that. The **** people will say as if it isn't supposed to be seen as vile is pretty amazing sometimes.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I was referring to the proposed "expansion" of that ruling to abortion
    Proposed by whom and where, but more importantly how is it relevant?

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    For the sake of this argument, let's put some imaginary numbers into the equation.

    The father claims that his connection and love for the child will increase by 100% by his being present at the child's birth. The emotional experience of witnessing the birth will be so great that this father will, as a result, be a better father to the child.

    It should be clear to everyone that a child is better served by having a more committed father than a less committed father. The father in this case actually took this issue to court in order to be able to witness his child's birth. Clearly this issues means a lot to the father.

    I can't see how a mother's selfish interest can, and should, override the interests of the child in having a more devoted, committed father in his life.
    It is not selfish. She is having a natural stress response to a stressful situation - being in the room with an ex at a time when she is emotionally and physiologically vulnerable.

    The well being of the soon to be baby depends on the health and well being of the mother.

    It is not only selfish of the father to demand.....it can be unhealthy for the baby, let alone the mother.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Okay, so? In the absense of any rights, the father's commitment is, as it always is, up to him. His legal and moral duties to the child remain unchanged.
    The father is acting in the child's best interest while the mother is acting in her own best interest. Child's interest always trumps parent's interest.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, again, for the thousandth time, there are no father's rights here. There's nothing to be trampled. What you are calling "rights" are entirely fictional and not supported by history in any culture or by law.
    And for the thousandth time I disagree with you. The logic that would comes from the argument that it's the woman's body, would also lead us to conclude that the woman should be SOLELY responsible for the effects of getting pregnant. And since we don't practice that, i.e. we require a father to share in the financial responsibility for supporting a child, then the father has rights.

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