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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by RiverDad View Post
    Both parents have custody until a judge deems otherwise. No judge stripped this father of his parental rights.
    DING DING DING.... NO JUDGE STRIPPED THIS FATHER OF HIS PARENTAL RIGHTS, and yet he has no legal right to the birthing room, hence observing the birth is not part of his parental rights. Thank you for circle jerking yourself around to the truth, even if it was by accident.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    So the man has no right to his child until the woman deems it in existence? How nice.
    If by deems you mean gives birth to, yeah, pretty much legally speaking. However, men have had some limited rights to pre-birth children in the past. Not among those rights - to be there when the woman is birthing. Again, that men are even allowed in during the birth is historically, even in this nation, very recent.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    If by deems you mean gives birth to, yeah, pretty much legally speaking. However, men have had some limited rights to pre-birth children in the past. Not among those rights - to be there when the woman is birthing. Again, that men are even allowed in during the birth is historically, even in this nation, very recent.
    It seems a big disingenuous to me that historical marriage patterns are irrelevant to Homosexual "marriage" but are hugely pertinent to issues like fathers being present during birth.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    No, it is not. Many folks give birth and immediately give up the child for others to raise.
    I disagree strongly with you. Raising a child does not start after the child is born.

    Babies Listen and Learn While in the Womb

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    “I talk to him all the time, even when I am in stores shopping for a layette and other things we will need once he is born,” says the New York City-based cosmetic executive. “People probably think I am crazy if they overhear me!”

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    “The main message for new moms is that their babies are listening and learning and remembering during the last stages of pregnancy. Their brains do not wait for birth to start absorbing information,” says study author Patricia K. Kuhl, PhD. She is the Bezos Family Foundation endowed chair in early childhood learning and a professor of speech and hearing sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    your feelings dont matter to rights
    But it matters to hers? Tell me again, what right of hers is being violated by him being in the room. If you mention privacy, just know that argument is invalid.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by MildSteel View Post
    I disagree strongly with you. Raising a child does not start after the child is born.

    Babies Listen and Learn While in the Womb
    Which as interesting as that may be, has nothing to do with the birthing room and observing, not being able to touch or talk or interfere in anyway, which would be the best that unwanted could have hoped for.

    Unless somehow you're now trying to suggest that a man has a right to access to his pregnant partner throughout the pregnancy... good luck with one...
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Summerwind View Post
    Which as interesting as that may be, has nothing to do with the birthing room and observing, not being able to touch or talk or interfere in anyway, which would be the best that unwanted could have hoped for.

    Unless somehow you're now trying to suggest that a man has a right to access to his pregnant partner throughout the pregnancy... good luck with one...
    No one mentioned touching.

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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    But it matters to hers? Tell me again, what right of hers is being violated by him being in the room. If you mention privacy, just know that argument is invalid.
    1. The right to privacy.
    2. The right to choose who sees her during a medical procedure.
    3. The right to choose who enters a room she has essentially rented at a hospital.

    I'm sure there are more.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    But it matters to hers? Tell me again, what right of hers is being violated by him being in the room. If you mention privacy, just know that argument is invalid.
    You're just wanting to pick a fight. You're being difficult for no reason.

    If you were birthing my offspring from your anus I'd give you privacy to do so if that's what you wanted. I wouldn't get on my high horse and demand that you permit me watch you suffer and be at your most vulnerable.
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    Re: New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    New Jersey Judge Blocks Dad From Delivery Room - ABC News



    Thoughts?

    So the elements in question:
    1) Is being a witness to a birth essential to bond with said child?
    2) Is the birthing room a matter of the mother's personal privacy?

    Of course, this isn't a broad ruling that applies to everyone (every state, etc). Hospitals have their own rules and guidelines they follow - and so forth. States can rule to the contrary. If hospitals they want to change their guidelines they must make an effort to do so. Most err with the side of the mother (which is what led to this case).

    I support the ruling and the concept: Being a witness to a birth is not a right. It is a privilege that should be extended to fathers at the decision of the mother per her comfort.
    I agree, for bonding it is not essential to see a baby come out of the woman's body.

    Secondly, it is a medical procedure and except necessary medical staff and people the woman chooses to support/aid her in her difficult job of pushing out this baby, nobody has a right or any business in that delivery room. And an estranged husband is not helpful or conductive for the woman to feel safe and protected during this difficult time.
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