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Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

A Little to do with it? He was running from the cops and you want to blame a bar tender.

I think the owner of the car that let him steal it should be responsable for the 2 deaths and many injuries. After all if the car wasn't reported stolen, maybe the cop would not have been chasing him.

I was being facetious.

Have you never seen a drop-dead-drunk continue to get served in a bar?? Do you think that's right?? I don't. It's quite different, even at .11 (which I didn't know at the time), but blind drunk? I just saw that last Saturday. Guy left . . . not even a cup of coffee for him. He pulled out his car keys. You wouldn't hold a club responsible for that? See, I say as long as there are those laws on the books? They should be enforced.
 
Well, at least he looks remorseful.

He does?

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His blood alcohol was .11.

That says it all, or at least should.

I served on a jury once where the accused BA level was .32, or four times the legal limit. The prosecution presented an alcohol expert who testified that most people would be unconscious at that level, but that someone accustomed to consuming a lot of alcohol could still be functional. The defense countered with a wacky theory that the alcohol was the result of his blood having fermented, and brought up the remote possibility that the phlebotomist who took the blood may have used alcohol to sterilize the needle site. No evidence that such a thing really happened, you understand, just mentioned the possibility.

The defense almost got the jury to acquit. I had to do a lot of convincing, and so did some of the other jurors, before they finally voted to convict.
 
So the reality is this guy got pulled over in a stolen car, tried to drive away because he was driving a stolen car, ran over several people in a stolen car, and we need to find some bartender to blame?

Is personal responsibility dead in our society??
 
How about some personal responsibility of the criminal.
Iirc, there's nothing in the dram shop laws which removes responsibility for the person who DUIs. That person is still subject to the full and regular set of prosecutions and penalties.
 
A Little to do with it? He was running from the cops and you want to blame a bar tender.

I think the owner of the car that let him steal it should be responsable for the 2 deaths and many injuries. After all if the car wasn't reported stolen, maybe the cop would not have been chasing him.

The criminal who killed these three people is the one who is to blame the most, he has the blood of three people on his hands. But, if a bartender has over served him on liquor than that bartender is also partly to blame.
 
The criminal who killed these three people is the one who is to blame the most, he has the blood of three people on his hands. But, if a bartender has over served him on liquor than that bartender is also partly to blame.

No he is not. The guy ran because he was driving a stolen car. His blood alcohol level was .11 which used to be the legal limit, almost. There is no indication this guy was falling down drunk.

You can't hold the vender of a product to blame when it is the buyers choice what he does with the product. If you could car manufacturer would be out of business.
 
No he is not. The guy ran because he was driving a stolen car. His blood alcohol level was .11 which used to be the legal limit, almost. There is no indication this guy was falling down drunk.

You can't hold the vender of a product to blame when it is the buyers choice what he does with the product. If you could car manufacturer would be out of business.

First off all, I said it was the guy who did the crime who was the main culprit. I then said that IF a bartender has over served him on liquor then they are to be blamed too. I am not blaming anybody right now, but IF it is shown that a bar/club/pub had over poured him then this will be something they can and should be sued for because I have heard that this is illegal to do.
 
First off all, I said it was the guy who did the crime who was the main culprit. I then said that IF a bartender has over served him on liquor then they are to be blamed too. I am not blaming anybody right now, but IF it is shown that a bar/club/pub had over poured him then this will be something they can and should be sued for because I have heard that this is illegal to do.

But you know his BAC was 0.11. That's equivalent to 4 or 5 drinks. We can stop playing "what if" and acknowledge there is no bartender to place blame here. The guy ran because he was in a stolen car and got busted. He's a moron.
 
But you know his BAC was 0.11. That's equivalent to 4 or 5 drinks. We can stop playing "what if" and acknowledge there is no bartender to place blame here. The guy ran because he was in a stolen car and got busted. He's a moron.

I am sorry but BAC 0.11 is over the limit. I do not know how drunk that is but it is too much according to Texas law. Over serving or serving to someone who was already intoxicated is a crime under Texas law. I do not know if that happened here, all I am saying that IF that happened then the business should be held accountable too.

With 0.11 there is (according to one website I found) you can already be staggering, have slurred speech etc. Now in this case most likely there is no case here for that warrants prosecution but yesterday I watched Bar Rescue where I saw the owner force his staff to pour liquor to people who were totally and utterly drunk, so drunk that responsible owners would not have ordered their employees to keep liquoring them up.
 
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