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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why don't you blame the law for being extremely hard on drunks? That is why he ran to aviod those punishments.

    Why not blame the cop for chasing him? Why not blame the car manufacturer for making the weapon?
    The fact that he was driving a stolen car might have had a little to do with it. Dram Act laws are on the books. Don't freakin' blame me.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    His blood alcohol was .11.
    But you are assuming he drank all that inone place. Also .11 is not drop down drunk. .10 used to be the limit.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    But you are assuming he drank all that inone place. Also .11 is not drop down drunk. .10 used to be the limit.
    I'm not assuming anything. We have laws on the books that can be used to hold bartenders and club owners responsible for over-serving. If we're serious about stopping drunk drivers, we should begin enforcing them. This guy was also driving a stolen car, so he had more reason to run than just his BAC.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The fact that he was driving a stolen car might have had a little to do with it. Dram Act laws are on the books. Don't freakin' blame me.
    A Little to do with it? He was running from the cops and you want to blame a bar tender.

    I think the owner of the car that let him steal it should be responsable for the 2 deaths and many injuries. After all if the car wasn't reported stolen, maybe the cop would not have been chasing him.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    People killed by a car. Obviously, we need more car control.
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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    A Little to do with it? He was running from the cops and you want to blame a bar tender.

    I think the owner of the car that let him steal it should be responsable for the 2 deaths and many injuries. After all if the car wasn't reported stolen, maybe the cop would not have been chasing him.
    I was being facetious.

    Have you never seen a drop-dead-drunk continue to get served in a bar?? Do you think that's right?? I don't. It's quite different, even at .11 (which I didn't know at the time), but blind drunk? I just saw that last Saturday. Guy left . . . not even a cup of coffee for him. He pulled out his car keys. You wouldn't hold a club responsible for that? See, I say as long as there are those laws on the books? They should be enforced.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, at least he looks remorseful.
    He does?


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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

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    He does?
    I was being sarcastic.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    His blood alcohol was .11.
    That says it all, or at least should.

    I served on a jury once where the accused BA level was .32, or four times the legal limit. The prosecution presented an alcohol expert who testified that most people would be unconscious at that level, but that someone accustomed to consuming a lot of alcohol could still be functional. The defense countered with a wacky theory that the alcohol was the result of his blood having fermented, and brought up the remote possibility that the phlebotomist who took the blood may have used alcohol to sterilize the needle site. No evidence that such a thing really happened, you understand, just mentioned the possibility.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    So the reality is this guy got pulled over in a stolen car, tried to drive away because he was driving a stolen car, ran over several people in a stolen car, and we need to find some bartender to blame?

    Is personal responsibility dead in our society??

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