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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, we disagree. I think a bar that serves a person until they're blind drunk bears some responsibility. We have laws against it. Why do people object to enforcing them?
    Prove it. Prove someone got blitzed at the bar, and not after. Maybe he had a bottle in his glove compartment. Maybe he hit up the liquor store after the bar. Etc.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Furthermore, what's the difference between someone SERVING me drinks at a bar, vs someone selling me an entire bottle of liquor and letting me serve myself?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Actually, what I've been saying is, these kinds of laws don't target the problem, they target a symptom of the problem, and therefore they are probably going to be less effective than improved education would be. Too many people end up in AA/NA before they learn things that I think everyone should learn in high school.
    Education? About drinking? Like drugs, education about alcohol and substance use and abuse has been included in public school curricula for decades.
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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's time for us to start using The Dram Act. Find out where that idiot got his booze and hold deep pockets accountable for tragedies like this. Nothing is going to change until we start going after the bars and restaurants who over-serve and then let someone walk out of their establishments with car keys.
    I think that TX enacted dram shop laws in the eighties.
    I may be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    The world is a dangerous place. Lots of things can kill us and one day one of them will. Until then, I'd rather live free than in a world where the government micromanages every aspect of our lives for our own good. Some twit did something really stupid, careless and criminal. Punish him. Let's not try to change the whole freakin' world in a ridiculous attempt to make sure no other twits can do something stupid that will cause some people to die. No matter how twit-proof you try to make the world, the world will just come back with more effective twits.
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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I think that TX enacted dram shop laws in the eighties.
    How about some personal responsibility of the criminal.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, we disagree. I think a bar that serves a person until they're blind drunk bears some responsibility. We have laws against it. Why do people object to enforcing them?
    Lots of functioning alcoholics out there. My old boss was one, drank from the time he got off work till he passed out. Every night. But you would never know it.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Prove it. Prove someone got blitzed at the bar, and not after. Maybe he had a bottle in his glove compartment. Maybe he hit up the liquor store after the bar. Etc.
    I have no idea how easy or hard it would be to prove. Probably depends on how much someone(s) want to bring criminal or civil charges as to how much an investigation they're willing to do.

    Tom, as a taxi driver, has seen more than his share of drunks staggering out of bars at closing time and climbing into their cars. It's my understanding that most states' Dram Act laws require only that the bartenders should have known. In Elmhurst, next town over, the cops actually hang out at some of these bars at closing time to prevent fights and subliminally encourage people to use the taxis that line the front curb.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Education? About drinking? Like drugs, education about alcohol and substance use and abuse has been included in public school curricula for decades.
    I don't mean lies, exaggerations, and blind demonization like DARE.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Whether a bar owner can be held legally liable for a drunk causing an accident, I'm not sure. Civil liability is another matter, however. The injured party is going to look for the deepest pockets to sue, and that is not likely to be the drunk. Liquor establishments have insurance for that very eventuality.
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