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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't disagree with much of what you said about the drunk. I disagree that, as a society, we have no responsibility not to exacerbate what a drunk does.

    If I sell liquor to a minor (or serve it to him), and he kills someone, I'm going to at least be civilly responsible for the end result. Why? Because it's against the law to sell or serve liquor to a minor.

    It's against the law to over-serve as well. If you're saying it shouldn't be, that's another argument. But, in every state, it is.
    Actually, what I've been saying is, these kinds of laws don't target the problem, they target a symptom of the problem, and therefore they are probably going to be less effective than improved education would be. Too many people end up in AA/NA before they learn things that I think everyone should learn in high school.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Maybe another case of affluenza ?

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So many lives changed forever because of one drunk's reckless selfishness.
    Yeah, that's not limited to "drunks".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's time for us to start using The Dram Act. Find out where that idiot got his booze and hold deep pockets accountable for tragedies like this. Nothing is going to change until we start going after the bars and restaurants who over-serve and then let someone walk out of their establishments with car keys.

    What a tragedy.
    It's not the bar nor restaurant's responsibility. You can sue the city who doesn't offer enough public transport, or artificially reduces the allowed number of cabs in an area too, or didn't have enough checks on DUI, etc. I mean, government has pretty deep pockets, yes?

    This whole "sue till we can't do anything" thing actually ends up doing well more damage than good.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's not the bar nor restaurant's responsibility. You can sue the city who doesn't offer enough public transport, or artificially reduces the allowed number of cabs in an area too, or didn't have enough checks on DUI, etc. I mean, government has pretty deep pockets, yes?

    This whole "sue till we can't do anything" thing actually ends up doing well more damage than good.
    Well, we disagree. I think a bar that serves a person until they're blind drunk bears some responsibility. We have laws against it. Why do people object to enforcing them?

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, we disagree. I think a bar that serves a person until they're blind drunk bears some responsibility. We have laws against it. Why do people object to enforcing them?
    We have laws against a lot of things, doesn't mean the laws are just. Sometimes, laws are based in emotional retort and bullying.

    I object to enforcing quite a few rules, actually. Just because it's on the books doesn't mean it's good (in a general sense). I mean, do you want all those anti-sodomy laws enforced? Some states have archaic laws like that left on the books.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    It's time for us to start using The Dram Act. Find out where that idiot got his booze and hold deep pockets accountable for tragedies like this. Nothing is going to change until we start going after the bars and restaurants who over-serve and then let someone walk out of their establishments with car keys.

    What a tragedy.
    It's not the seller's fault that this dude is stupid. There's only one person at fault, here.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, we disagree. I think a bar that serves a person until they're blind drunk bears some responsibility. We have laws against it. Why do people object to enforcing them?
    Do you want gun makers held responsible for gun crime?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Do you want gun makers held responsible for gun crime?
    We aren't talking about holding the people who make liquor being held responsible. Poor analogy.

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    Re: Two dead after drunk plows through SXSW crowd

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We aren't talking about holding the people who make liquor being held responsible. Poor analogy.
    Might as well. Makes as much sense as holding the seller responsible. Whole we're at it, let's hold the car dealership responsible, too.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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