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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And you base this on what.. more rumours from secret sources in the US? Tell me this then.. why over 5 days later, has Rolls Royce, who have sent people out there, just like Boeing has.. that is standard procedure, not handed over this information to the Malaysian authorities? Why.. either they ****ing with the search.. doubt that, or the information does not exist.



    LOL a daily live press conference debunks it.. watch it tomorrow live if you want. You are spreading rumour, bull**** and out right lies... just like the Chinese satellite pictures supposedly showing wreckage... also bull****, and a waste of time.
    Which source do you watch, Pete?
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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Which source do you watch, Pete?
    Sky News (Newscorp), CNN International, BBC, Al Jazeera, France 24 and a few more.

    There are a lot of theories out there, but few facts, and the facts do not include the plane flying 4 hours longer than reported.
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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    U.S. Investigators Suspect Missing Malaysia Airplane Flew On for Hours - WSJ.com





    Wow, this is getting even more baffling. Looks like the Tom Clancy thriller conspiracies seem to be coming to fruition. My question is why did the airplane manufacturers allow access to the transponders so they can be deactivated? It should be mandatory for all civilian airliners to have a tamper proof transponder so no one will be able to deactivate it unless its on the ground.
    Are you really THIS unaware? Why do you immediately go for the throats of the airplane companies? Is that a libertarian thing? In the US it happens to be the FAA that controls the requirements that airplane companies build their airplanes in accordance with. And it's very likely the case that a govt agency decides in other countries as well. So why don't you put the blame where it belongs? And what does the transponder actually do? A number of things but primarily the ID or the aircraft and its altitude. They still track the aircraft on radar, and when it falls below a certain altitude you can't see it.
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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Sky News (Newscorp), CNN International, BBC, Al Jazeera, France 24 and a few more.

    There are a lot of theories out there, but few facts, and the facts do not include the plane flying 4 hours longer than reported.
    Thanks. Just wondering what people in Europe watch.
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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    The Malaysian air force chief's initial assertion about the plane being picked up by radar after its transponder signal went off is consistent w/the WSJ's story.

    It's likely the AF chief was telling the truth and then told by his own govt. to lie about what he knew, i. e. saying it didn't happen.
    LOL conspiracy theories are ripe over there eh?

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26527390

    On Wednesday, Malaysia's air force chief Rodzali Daud denied remarks attributed to him in local media that a missing Malaysia Airlines plane was tracked by military radar to the Malacca Strait, far west of its planned route.

    Gen Rodzali Daud said he "did not make any such statements", but the air force had "not ruled out the possibility of an air turn-back".
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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Wow, this is getting even more baffling. Looks like the Tom Clancy thriller conspiracies seem to be coming to fruition. My question is why did the airplane manufacturers allow access to the transponders so they can be deactivated? It should be mandatory for all civilian airliners to have a tamper proof transponder so no one will be able to deactivate it unless its on the ground.
    As a pilot I am going to say no. That is a stupid idea.

    Transponders sometimes malfunction and give erroneous data, and need to be shut off so they don't screw with air traffic control radar and a critical piece of safety equipment called TCAS. (a system designed to prevent mid-air collisions) And when that transponder has an electrical problem and the wires start to smoke, I need to shut it off before it starts my avionics on fire.
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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    As a pilot I am going to say no. That is a stupid idea.

    Transponders sometimes malfunction and give erroneous data, and need to be shut off so they don't screw with air traffic control radar and a critical piece of safety equipment called TCAS. (a system designed to prevent mid-air collisions) And when that transponder has an electrical problem and the wires start to smoke, I need to shut it off before it starts my avionics on fire.
    OK, thanks for the heads up, I wasnt aware that they could be a fire hazard or give off bad info. You learn something new every day.

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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post


    LOL a daily live press conference debunks it.. watch it tomorrow live if you want. You are spreading rumour, bull**** and out right lies... just like the Chinese satellite pictures supposedly showing wreckage... also bull****, and a waste of time.
    The Malaysians are denying the WSJ article, they have not debunked it. Big difference there. And right now they arent saying anything since they dont know so anything is possible at this point.

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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    OK, thanks for the heads up, I wasnt aware that they could be a fire hazard or give off bad info. You learn something new every day.
    Well, any electrical device can be a fire hazard! It's why your house has circuit breakers.

    Airliners have more than one transponder, so in this case it seems like the transponders were turned off deliberately. The other option being a major electrical failure causing both transponders to fail, or causing the pilots elect to keep them off.

    A semi plausible scenario is that the plane had such an electrical failure and the pilots knew they wouldn't make it to their destination on emergency power, so attempted to return home to familiar territory because by then they might literally be navigating with their eyeballs. (yeesh, and I'd be shocked if they even had the charts on board that would help with that)

    However, electrical systems on an airliner are highly redundant. I think that would be an unprecedented situation for a 777.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Missing Malysian Airliner Continued to Fly on For Hours (Confirmed)

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Same with the crummy Chinese satellite pics that were release days after the fact. One or several entities are hiding something.
    The low-quality satellite picture showed possible objects in the water from Sunday. Such objects were not necessarily from the missing plane, but that did amount to a possible lead in the search for the plane.

    Right now, there's very little solid information. The plane disappeared from the radar relatively early in its flight. Its transponder had stopped transmitting information. That's about all that is currently known.

    Malaysia's contradictory reports don't necessarily mean that that country or others are "hiding" what happened. The convergence of pressures to respond to families who are pressing the authorities for information that could provide certainty/closure (which is largely absent) and lack of crisis communication experience probably may be a better explanation. I do believe Malaysia needs to be more careful about the information it is communicating--keep it limited and focused strictly on the facts that are known; don't provide content that has not been verified.

    The media, however, is not under the same kind of pressure that those involved in the investigation are facing. The media is in a stronger position to refrain from disseminating speculative material. It should do so.

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