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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I've seen no credible evidence that the exempt have more flexibility than the non-exempt. I don't consider your source to be credible
    I have little doubt no matter how many links I provide, you wouldn't find them credible. The simple fact is, exempt employees are typicalyl given far more flexability than an hourly emplyoee.

    Let's try my theory. Here's another one for you to dismiss:

    http://articles.latimes.com/1999/may...iness/fi-35415

    Executives, administrators and professionals are more highly paid than regular employees and have some control over their working hours. They determine which tasks require their attention and how much time they will devote to each task. Their hours may vary from week to week, so that a slow week may be followed by a period of intense work.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Right.. and if they are not meeting those requirements..> What are they again? Oh, that's right. Hourly. Geeze man. You can't pay a salaried individual OT, as that would clearly make them hourly emplyoees
    Wrong. If they don't meet the requirements, they may be salaried but don't meet the other conditions such as having "the exercise of discretion and independent judgment with respect to matters of significance."

    Just admit that you were wrong to say that "if you are salaried, you are exempt by definition." (BTW, I'm paraphrasing what you said)

    Saying "all exempt employees are salaried" is not the same as saying "all salaried employees are exempt". You said the latter
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    I have little doubt no matter how many links I provide, you wouldn't find them credible. The simple fact is, exempt employees are typicalyl given far more flexability than an hourly emplyoee.
    There is nothing simple about it and it is not a fact

    It is an opinion
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Wrong. If they don't meet the requirements, they may be salaried but don't meet the other conditions such as having "the exercise of discretion and independent judgment with respect to matters of significance.
    If they are exempt they do not qualify for OT and they are salaried emplyoees. If they are non-exempt, they qualify for OT and are not salaried employees. Feel free to provide a cite proving that wrong.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    A square is a rectangle but a rectangle is not a square.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    If they are exempt they do not qualify for OT and they are salaried emplyoees.
    That is not what you said before. You said "if they are salaried, they are exempt" which is not true

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    If you are salaried, you are defiend as exempt.

    If they are non-exempt, they qualify for OT and are not salaried employees. Feel free to provide a cite proving that wrong.
    Wrong. I already posted a link to DOL which proves that being salaried is not sufficient to be considered exempt

    http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/complian...a_overview.pdf

    For example, if your salary is less than $455/wk, you are salaried *and* non-exempt
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is nothing simple about it and it is not a fact

    It is an opinion
    Not really. It is a fact that exempt employees typicalyl have far more flexability than hourly.

    Here is another source for you to proclaim unreliable:

    So Which Is Better?

    That depends on you. Some workers would rather be employed in nonexempt positions to ensure they're paid for every hour they work. Others prefer the latitude that comes with salaried positions. For example, most nonexempt employees are going to be held to a more stringent standard regarding things like casual time. Exempt employees can ordinarily spend a reasonable amount of time around the watercooler without incurring the boss's wrath; nonexempt employees' time tends be more closely monitored, and designated breaks are allowed only at certain times during the workday.

    Generally, exempt employees are paid more than nonexempt employees, because they are expected to complete tasks regardless of the hours required to do them. If staying late or coming in early is required to do the job, exempt employees are frequently expected to do just that. Nonexempt employees typically work only the prescribed number of hours.

    This article is intended to be a primer on this issue, but HR laws and regulations can be enormously complex. For more information, visit the Department of Labor's Web page that addresses these issues.
    What's the Difference Between Exempt and Nonexempt Workers?

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Not really. It is a fact that exempt employees typicalyl have far more flexability than hourly.
    No, it's not a fact; it's an opinion


    Here is another source for you to proclaim unreliable:



    What's the Difference Between Exempt and Nonexempt Workers?
    Yes, you found someone else who shares your opinion. BFD

    Let me know when you find some facts
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    For example, if your salary is less than $455/wk, you are salaried *and* non-exempt
    No, if the salary is less than $455/week, you are not salaried, as you are then eligible for OT, which would then make you an hourly non-exempt employee.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    No, if the salary is less than $455/week, you are not salaried, as you are then eligible for OT, which would then make you an hourly non-exempt employee.
    " if the salary is less than $455/week, you are not salaried"
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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