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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Expecting to be paid for your work? How terrible. Obviously, your employer should have the right to own you. I mean, who wants to work harder and longer to make more money?

    (FYI, you only get OT if you already have a job.)
    Well said.
    The idea that you should get paid for the extra work you put in over and above your normal hours and pay seems to be a radical one for the right.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Straight to hyperbole in post #2!

    I like being salaried because it gives me more flexibility in scheduling my time. I normally work 40-45 hours a week and am certainly not "owned". I've worked a number of salaried jobs in the last 20 years and was never required to work an exorbitant number of hours.
    If you work 40 hours, you're not working overtime. But if you've earned that money through your hard work, it's not someone else's money as stated in the OP.


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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Mr. Vicchio, I've been an entrepreneur my whole life. I didn't take that job, by the way.

    What is government good for if not to even the playing field? Would you do away with the minimum wage? Go back to "We don't hire blacks"? "Women need not apply"? No overtime for anyone? Let employers give themselves perks while excluding their workers because they can? Depend on the largess of employers to see the light? It didn't work before, and it won't work now.

    Go work at a factory in India and tell me how well it works when employers are left to their own devices. Is that really the kind of country you want to live in? Really??

    Now surely there are degrees of interference. But making sure that companies don't skirt overtime requirements simply by putting someone on salary and telling them they're stupidvisors doesn't seem too much interference to me.
    Salaried employees are paid a flat rate regardless of how many hours they work that week. 'Time off' for things like doctors appointments, illness, long lunch, whatever, doesn't reduce your pay. Salary is more about being goal oriented then clock watching.

    IMO, salaried employees are more productive then hourly. There may be times when more hours are needed to complete something, and times when it's not. The employer knows their labor costs regardless of the number of hours to complete the job/project.

    But to each her own.

    Once more, if this is true, the current administration is jeopardizing full time employment. After all, why pay someone salary if there will be mandatory add ons? Back to hourly.... and two part timers is cheaper then one full timer plus overtime.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, frankly, I think something should be
    done. Companies too often pay salaries and then expect sixty hours a week with no comp time. Just exactly how fair is that?

    Folks, I think we're just going to have to get used to paying more for things. Workers need some help to assure their fair treatment. It's time we all realized that.

    I was offered a managerial job ten-plus years ago. The offer letter came to me with a salary promise, description of benefits, and a caveat that I would be expected to work sixty hours a week. So, I'll ask again: Just exactly how fair is that?
    How does increasing cost for goods and services help workers ?

    And when was it ever the job of the Federal government to be the ultimate arbiter of equality and "fairness" ?

    A across the board cost increase so the Democrats can follow through with their destructive narratives on " equity" hurts the poor and middle class the most.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You forced to work for those wages or conditions? No jyst wait for government to fix it for ya! Gotta hand it to the king, doesnt matrer the negative real world damage he's doing, it feels good to emotionally vulnerable helpless folks who cant function unless government makes it FAIR.
    That's a coherent, non-emotional argument....


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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why would you prefer being exempt?
    Flexability is one of the big reasons. A few of the people with the company the longest took a pay cut, as we were put under a lower (non-exempt) band. So, our max salaries have decreased which affects things like salary relativety - which can effect raises and the like.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, you're right. I don't care if it costs me a surcharge of 20-cents on my fast-food order so that employees can have health insurance. Or an extra 10%. I don't care of my loaf of bread costs 50-cents more. I don't care if it costs me another $3 to mow my lawn so the Mexicans who don't speak English and whose job prospects are limited and sweat their asses off to cut it can make $10 an hour instead of $7.25.

    I guess that makes me a bad person.
    Yes it does. Because you are forcing others to pay more too. Forcing your emotionally driven idealism on society.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You...you know what overtime is, right?
    Yep, I worked it every week for more than 20 years.

    I always referred to it as "getting the job done."

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    If you work 40 hours, you're not working overtime. But if you've earned that money through your hard work, it's not someone else's money as stated in the OP.
    Personal anecdote, but maybe it will make the premise of Salary a little more clear to you.

    I am salaried. My sister has stage 4 cancer, so every 4-6 weeks for the last 6 months, I take a 4 day weekend to go see her. Guess what? My pay doesn't change!
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Personal anecdote, but maybe it will make the premise of Salary a little more clear to you.

    I am salaried. My sister has stage 4 cancer, so every 4-6 weeks for the last 6 months, I take a 4 day weekend to go see her. Guess what? My pay doesn't change!
    Sorry to hear of your sister, but yes... That is certainly one of the great things about being exempt. Having the flexability. Basically, as long as your work gets done there is no issue.

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