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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Not confusing that at all. The law doesn't require exempt employees to have more flexability and I have never claimed that it did.

    But the fact is, that exempt employees typically have more flexability than non-exempt employees.
    but with Obama's executive order those inflexible employers may become obligated to pay those salaried workers additional compensation for hours worked beyond their 40 hour compensation standard, where overtime is being compelled
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    This is a different argument. If someone is salaried, they are exempt. If someone does not meet they requirements of the law, then they are not salaried (and not exempt from the law), they are hourly and are eligible for OT.

    For example, if a person makes $200.00 per week, they can not be exempt, true? If they can not be exempt, they then have to be paid hourly and would be eligible for OT. The employer will have to track their hours to ensure they are not working too much, skipping breaks/lunches, etc... That is clearly not a salaried employee, but is simply an hourly employee.
    with the executive order, the benefit now flows to the salaried worker
    because they are salaried their compensation cannot be reduced because of a shortfall of work to be performed
    but they now can be compensated where their work week exceeds the 40 hours for which they receive a salary. just as salaried non-exempt previously could without benefit of the Obama XO
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Yet for some crazy reason the economy IS better now than when he started.
    But it's oh so not. The economy has steadily taking a backward march since the day he took office.
    #1 When Barack Obama entered the White House, 60.6 percent of working age Americans had a job. Today, only 58.7 percent of working age Americans have a job.
    #2 Since Obama has been president, seven out of every eight jobs that have been “created” in the U.S. economy have been part-time jobs.
    #3 The number of full-time workers in the United States is still nearly 6 million below the old record that was set back in 2007.
    #4 It is hard to believe, but an astounding 53 percent of all American workers now make less than $30,000 a year.
    #5 40 percent of all workers in the United States actually make less than what a full-time minimum wage worker made back in 1968
    #6 When the Obama era began, the average duration of unemployment in this country was 19.8 weeks. Today, it is 36.6 weeks.
    #7 During the first four years of Obama, the number of Americans “not in the labor force” soared by an astounding 8,332,000. That far exceeds any previous four year total.
    #8 According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the middle class is taking home a smaller share of the overall income pie than has ever been recorded before.
    #9 When Obama was elected, the home-ownership rate in the United States was 67.5 percent. Today, it is 65.0 percent. That is the lowest that it has been in 18 years.
    #10 When Obama entered the White House, the mortgage delinquency rate was 7.85 percent. Today, it is 9.72 percent.
    #11 In 2008, the U.S. trade deficit with China was 268 billion dollars. Last year, it was 315 billion dollars.
    #12 When Obama first became president, 12.5 million Americans had manufacturing jobs. Today, only 11.9 million Americans have manufacturing jobs.
    #13 Median household income in America has fallen for four consecutive years. Overall, it has declined by over $4000 during that time span.
    #14 The poverty rate has shot up to 16.1 percent. That is actually higher than when the War on Poverty began in 1965.
    #15 During Obama’s first term, the number of Americans on food stamps increased by an average of about 11,000 per day
    #16 When Barack Obama entered the White House, there were about 32 million Americans on food stamps. Today, there are more than 47 million Americans on food stamps.
    #17 At this point, more than a million public school students in the United States are homeless. This is the first time that has ever happened in our history. That number has risen by 57 percent since the 2006-2007 school year.
    #18 When Barack Obama took office, the average price of a gallon of regular gasoline was $1.85. Today, it is $3.53.
    #19 Electricity bills in the United States have risen faster than the overall rate of inflation for five years in a row.
    #20 Health insurance costs have risen by 29 percent since Barack Obama became president, and Obamacare is going to make things far worse.
    The Obama economy still is a miserable failure | RedState




    Yea, the economy took a serious dump with the hosing market implosion and the financial collapse, but no, he's not been leading the economy into recovery, in fact, it's a viable position that his economic and regulatory policies have twarted any sort of strong recovery. So, no. Obama's not been good for the economy.

    You can chose to chose to believe the administration's spin misters, but you'd not be informed with the truth.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    But it's oh so not. The economy has steadily taking a backward march since the day he took office.
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    Yea, the economy took a serious dump with the hosing market implosion and the financial collapse, but no, he's not been leading the economy into recovery, in fact, it's a viable position that his economic and regulatory policies have twarted any sort of strong recovery. So, no. Obama's not been good for the economy.

    You can chose to chose to believe the administration's spin misters, but you'd not be informed with the truth.
    Oh please, you are talking about choosing what to believe and for source you link to something that no one even puts a name to and then blame the price of gas and electricity on the president? I bet you date a French model too.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, frankly, I think something should be done. Companies too often pay salaries and then expect sixty hours a week with no comp time. Just exactly how fair is that?

    Folks, I think we're just going to have to get used to paying more for things. Workers need some help to assure their fair treatment. It's time we all realized that.

    I was offered a managerial job ten-plus years ago. The offer letter came to me with a salary promise, description of benefits, and a caveat that I would be expected to work sixty hours a week. So, I'll ask again: Just exactly how fair is that?
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    Oh please, you are talking about choosing what to believe and for source you link to something that no one even puts a name to and then blame the price of gas and electricity on the president? I bet you date a French model too.
    Come on. U6 is still around 13%-15%, labor participation rate across the board is at an all time low. Average household income has slipped nearly 10% in the last decade. Businesses aren't hiring, demand is lagging.

    Sure, you can TRY and blame Bush for all this, except that we are now well into the 2nd Obama term, and he's demonstrated his general cluelessness about business and the economy, with his continuing to hoist nonsensical EPA regulation burdens onto the economy.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Come on. U6 is still around 13%-15%, labor participation rate across the board is at an all time low. Average household income has slipped nearly 10% in the last decade. Businesses aren't hiring, demand is lagging.

    Sure, you can TRY and blame Bush for all this, except that we are now well into the 2nd Obama term, and he's demonstrated his general cluelessness about business and the economy, with his continuing to hoist nonsensical EPA regulation burdens onto the economy.
    I am not trying to place blame, that seems to be your preference, but corporate profits are up, we have more billionaires, etc. etc.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    I think that every employer should make their employees work 12 hour days, 7 days a week and just pay them whenever they feel like and whatever they feel like. While at it hire children too.
    Do the viewing audience a favor and use the entire quote so they get the context. This way you don't look like a twit.

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    By definition a contractor should have other customers or at least full control of if when and how they conduct business. FedEx and the like are skirting the grey areas. I hire people that have their own licensing, insurance ect. Its a way to distance myself even though a lot of times I am their exclusive business partner. FedEx requires uniforms certain working hours conditions and methods, that I don't. Like I said we don't need more rules on the subject of overtime. Quite frankly the overtime rules needs to go the way of the dodo bird.
    Employers already have enough disincentive to hire people. I can do anything in any business with a contractor that I can in a business that employs people. You and I don't get paid for all of the hours we put in to run our business's. If someone wants salary they need to know the pitfalls of it and whether they think the upside is worth those pitfalls. "
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not rediculous, since Obama doesn't have the authority to sign such an executive order.
    i missed the cite which will prove your assertion
    until you provide it i will accept that post as but another unsubstantiated partisan opinion
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    so, your point is that previously, employees would be expected to work additional hours for no additional compensation, but when the employer has to now pay for those additional hours, management will stagger the work hours such that no overtime is required. and you believe that is a bad outcome ... that the salaried employees now are able to enjoy those former overtime hours as personal time, instead?
    I think it's going to be businesses will find ways of avoiding OT if the dmarcation line is changed <= $50K per year salaried workers. If the OT is not planned and emergencies do occur, then they'll have no choice. I don't think that's a good or bad outcome I just think that will be reality. This change, really won't put much more money in people's pockets but is sure sounds nice during an election year.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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