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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    By definition a contractor should have other customers or at least full control of if when and how they conduct business. FedEx and the like are skirting the grey areas. I hire people that have their own licensing, insurance ect. Its a way to distance myself even though a lot of times I am their exclusive business partner. FedEx requires uniforms certain working hours conditions and methods, that I don't. Like I said we don't need more rules on the subject of overtime. Quite frankly the overtime rules needs to go the way of the dodo bird.
    Employers already have enough disincentive to hire people. I can do anything in any business with a contractor that I can in a business that employs people. You and I don't get paid for all of the hours we put in to run our business's. If someone wants salary they need to know the pitfalls of it and whether they think the upside is worth those pitfalls.
    Great explanation. I think UPS does the same thing, though I'm not sure. (I think they may even actually own their trucks.) Your last line: Very true.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, frankly, I think something should be done. Companies too often pay salaries and then expect sixty hours a week with no comp time. Just exactly how fair is that?

    Folks, I think we're just going to have to get used to paying more for things. Workers need some help to assure their fair treatment. It's time we all realized that.

    I was offered a managerial job ten-plus years ago. The offer letter came to me with a salary promise, description of benefits, and a caveat that I would be expected to work sixty hours a week. So, I'll ask again: Just exactly how fair is that?
    Those employees should hit the road; take their talents elsewhere.

    The fix surely doesn't exist in the president excercising dictatorial power. This idiot's heavy handed tactics are why the economy is in the ****ter, not overtime regulations.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those employees should hit the road; take their talents elsewhere.

    The fix surely doesn't exist in the president excercising dictatorial power. This idiot's heavy handed tactics are why the economy is in the ****ter, not overtime regulations.
    While I think overtime regulations need tweaking to protect the American worker, I sure don't approve of Obama's tactics.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Why not make it hours over 20? And triple pay? If we're going to be arbitary, why not max it out? If the goal is a living wage, lets just get it over with and say every employee must be paid X dollars a week minimum. Then get rid of all the rest of the rules.
    because those things would be stupid to implement and there is no coherent reason to so modify such work rules ... unlike the circumstance in which Obama has signed an executive order expanding overtime to cover salaried employees
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Obama is buying votes that's certain - and he's doing it for the mid-term elections so DNC seats in the Senate can be protected. This won't be the first time but I'm not sure it's going to work. I do agree that for the average worker this is a good thing and a few extra sheckles in our pockets helps - every bit helps. Will those few bucks really amount to much? Again, the unintended consequences of this action will I believe, retract the businesses affected. Now when OT is needed, businesses will plan or extend timelines so OT is not needed... there are many ways around having to pay OT.

    I also don't think the few tens of thousands of people this may help between now and November 2014 will see a significant uptick in their end of year pay, nor will this move erase the deception, scandals and out right lies this administration has inflicted on us, nor will it erase the stain of the ACA. I think Republicans should embrace this... not pick a fight, but make sure their constituents know that while this may help a few such a bribe for votes doesn't erase the errors of the past.
    so, your point is that previously, employees would be expected to work additional hours for no additional compensation, but when the employer has to now pay for those additional hours, management will stagger the work hours such that no overtime is required. and you believe that is a bad outcome ... that the salaried employees now are able to enjoy those former overtime hours as personal time, instead?
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    because those things would be stupid to implement and there is no coherent reason to so modify such work rules ... unlike the circumstance in which Obama has signed an executive order expanding overtime to cover salaried employees
    It's not rediculous, since Obama doesn't have the authority to sign such an executive order.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I didn't see in the OP if this order would be for hourly wage earners or salaried wage earners.

    If it is for salaried wage earners, this would essentially turn them into hourly wage earners.

    How can the federal government void employment contracts between employees and employers?
    did you sleep thru civics?
    the same way a change in the minimum wage causes employers to have to then pay minimum wage workers a higher base compensation
    the businesses benefit from operating in the world's best market. following laws, rules, regulations (and executive orders) is part of the price of doing business in that generous marketplace
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    ED HENRY, FOX NEWS: Jay, this focus today, women and the economy, minimum wage, overtime pay increases, all important policy areas as was discussed at the top, but will you also acknowledge these are also issues that test pretty well in an election year and that are a lot better to focus on than, say, the health care numbers?

    JAY CARNEY: Are you saying we should have done this in 2012 because our margin with women wasn't big enough?

    HENRY: The margins were pretty strong and that might help you again in the midterms.

    CARNEY: These are the right things to do for the economy. No, Ed.

    HENRY: It has nothing to do with the midterms?

    CARNEY: You know what? I think every woman in here ought to be offended by it. I'm offended by it on behalf of my wife and my daughter. It's crazy.
    Carney "Offended" That Ed Henry Would Ask If WH's Focus On Women Is Political | Video | RealClearPolitics

    And now you know why the Obama and administration is taking this action at this time.
    It's nothing more than electioneering and buying people's votes with someone else's money. Typical liberal / progressive action, that.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Like I said we don't need more rules on the subject of overtime.
    I think that every employer should make their employees work 12 hour days, 7 days a week and just pay them whenever they feel like and whatever they feel like. While at it hire children too.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Those employees should hit the road; take their talents elsewhere.

    The fix surely doesn't exist in the president excercising dictatorial power. This idiot's heavy handed tactics are why the economy is in the ****ter, not overtime regulations.
    Yet for some crazy reason the economy IS better now than when he started.

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