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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    If they truly do not qualify as exempt, then the company is breaking the law.



    This seems like a silly comment... It sounds like your problem is with the enforcement of the law, not a problem with the law itself.
    The problem is, the only ones who can enforce these laws are the employees themselves, and ignorance, and trepidation about job security keeps them from adequately doing so. Kinda OSHA standards. There is never a "problem", no matter how poorly a company abides by them, until someone is hurt or killed.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That is true. I do think the law could be better enforced. That's a good way to put it

    But I think we're straying too far from the original point (which is probably my fault) which was how exempt status and flexibility are not necessarily linked and instead, the result of the employers decisions concerning what he needs to do in order to attract and retain the talent he needs to run his business.

    BTW, while googling, I read an article in which the reverse happened - A corporation inappropriately classified executives as non-exempt and then reduced their hourly rate by an amount that was calculated to bring their employees up to a similar income when including their overtime.

    More American workers sue employers for overtime pay



    Not sure why they did this
    Why else? To save money.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

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    Why else? To save money.
    Possibly, but I don't see how it does that. After all, they are paying an hourly wage that, with overtime, is calculated to equal the salary they used to pay.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

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    No, I would say my experience is based on working with both State of Federal levels of DOL rules, regs, employees and knowing how other companies operate.
    Then why didn't you use that reference to begin with?
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Possibly, but I don't see how it does that. After all, they are paying an hourly wage that, with overtime, is calculated to equal the salary they used to pay.
    Yes, but they aren't promised OT. When you don't need them, you send them home. Now your under payroll for the week, and continued performance will bring you another 1.5% of bonus money.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Yes, but they aren't promised OT. When you don't need them, you send them home. Now your under payroll for the week, and continued performance will bring you another 1.5% of bonus money.
    I don't know. The article speaks of "expected overtime" which I assume means that they will continue working just as many hours as ever so in the end, their pay would be the same. And if they don't let them put in the OT, someone else will have to do the job and they will have to pay them.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I don't know. The article speaks of "expected overtime" which I assume means that they will continue working just as many hours as ever so in the end, their pay would be the same. And if they don't let them put in the OT, someone else will have to do the job and they will have to pay them.
    I think it was preemptive. According to the article, the came right after a 60+ mil settlement.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    I think it was preemptive. According to the article, the came right after a 60+ mil settlement.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No, I didn't take it. I've basically been an entrepreneur my whole life. If a business can legally hire contractors, that's certainly the way to go. If an employer is flying under the radar using contractors instead of employees, then one runs the real risk of being audited and profoundly spanked.
    By definition a contractor should have other customers or at least full control of if when and how they conduct business. FedEx and the like are skirting the grey areas. I hire people that have their own licensing, insurance ect. Its a way to distance myself even though a lot of times I am their exclusive business partner. FedEx requires uniforms certain working hours conditions and methods, that I don't. Like I said we don't need more rules on the subject of overtime. Quite frankly the overtime rules needs to go the way of the dodo bird.
    Employers already have enough disincentive to hire people. I can do anything in any business with a contractor that I can in a business that employs people. You and I don't get paid for all of the hours we put in to run our business's. If someone wants salary they need to know the pitfalls of it and whether they think the upside is worth those pitfalls.
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