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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    If they truly do not qualify as exempt, then the company is breaking the law.



    This seems like a silly comment... It sounds like your problem is with the enforcement of the law, not a problem with the law itself.
    That is true. I do think the law could be better enforced. That's a good way to put it

    But I think we're straying too far from the original point (which is probably my fault) which was how exempt status and flexibility are not necessarily linked and instead, the result of the employers decisions concerning what he needs to do in order to attract and retain the talent he needs to run his business.

    BTW, while googling, I read an article in which the reverse happened - A corporation inappropriately classified executives as non-exempt and then reduced their hourly rate by an amount that was calculated to bring their employees up to a similar income when including their overtime.

    More American workers sue employers for overtime pay

    Many companies have reclassified salaried executives as hourly employees — often to the consternation of the workers themselves, says Dan Yager, general counsel of the HR Policy Association, which represents human resource professionals. Such a strategy lets employers head off lawsuits by paying a lower basic wage that accounts for expected overtime.
    Not sure why they did this
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Meanwhile, if you work for yourself, working "overtime" Obama made sure that you make less instead of more. If you want to work more hours in your business to make more money, you get no overtime bonus but you get higher taxes on your earnings. Cool, huh?
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Did you take it? I am in business for myself I don't use employees anymore and will never use them again. I hire contractors. Its cheaper and I can get rid of them at will if I so choose. Further I have to obligatory FEELINGS. Its all business. Business people don't get overtime. They get whatever the customer pays for service. Is willing to pay. If you are not treated fairly at a job then I would suggest either getting another job or starting your own business. Making more laws and regs just screws things up more.
    No, I didn't take it. I've basically been an entrepreneur my whole life. If a business can legally hire contractors, that's certainly the way to go. If an employer is flying under the radar using contractors instead of employees, then one runs the real risk of being audited and profoundly spanked.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I guess you missed the words "At least, not for very long"
    I guess you missed the part where you still need to actually prove your claimed causal relationship between inflation and economic growth. All I need to show is that economic growth is possible without inflation in order to show that your claim of a causal relationship is false. I have done that.



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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I guess you missed the part where you still need to actually prove your claimed causal relationship between inflation and economic growth. All I need to show is that economic growth is possible without inflation in order to show that your claim of a causal relationship is false. I have done that.



    YOu haven't posted anything that refutes my claim
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Perhaps that is your personal experience, but it's not mine.

    I've been with this company for 14 years, and it's been the same for at least 12 years of it: making sure the work is done is the goal. I've not had to use personal time, vacation time or offset time. Boss does not track my hours, I don't 'punch a clock'. He's called when he's needed something on weekends, nights, even when I have officially been on vacation. He doesn't question where my time is spent. I advise him when I'll be out from courtesy.

    Perhaps it's the attitude of the worker that sets the parameters of what salary is. Those who are belligerent and display an attitude of 'it's ALL about MY paycheck' rather then truly caring how the company does, that sets the employers attitude towards the employees.
    So based on your experience working as a salaried employee at ONE company you have concluded that's how the majority of them operate?

    I've been a salaried employee for a pest control company, several retailers, a small biz family owned restaurant, and two chain restaurants.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    So based on your experience working as a salaried employee at ONE company you have concluded that's how the majority of them operate?

    I've been a salaried employee for a pest control company, several retailers, a small biz family owned restaurant, and two chain restaurants.
    No, I would say my experience is based on working with both State of Federal levels of DOL rules, regs, employees and knowing how other companies operate.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    YOu haven't posted anything that refutes my claim
    Sure I have. Since economic growth is possible during deflationary periods, and since any third world kleptocracy is evidence that inflation can happen during economic collapse, there is no causal relationship between economic growth and inflation. The relationship is coincidental.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Even fast food managers have more flexability then the hourly employees, at least in many cases. Anyway, if what you say is true and there really are an increase in the amount of lawsuite, it would seem that law is already sufficient and some companies are simply breaking the law.
    They are willfully breaking the law because it's cheaper to overwork a few and settle suits than it is to abide by the law.

    And a .00006 second google search will show you how prevalent this issue is across the country. At this point, failure to look into the subject matter of the topic at hand only makes you look willfully ignorant.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Just as there are 'employees' who would break the law in any number of ways, there will be 'employers' who will do the same.

    But it all boils down to the fact if they break one law on the subject, what makes the government think they will adhere to another?
    Because it removes the option to do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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