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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Turns out I was wrong, on this piece (to make myself feel a little better: I am still correct that exempt employees typically have more flexibility from employers)

    Based on this website - and these were a lot of the problems I saw with it, so I can't believe employers actually do it... It is just a bomb waiting to happen.

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    Well, if it helps you feel better, I can understand why you believe that exempts have more flexibility. For one thing, you're a professional and I assume you work with other professionals. Being highly skilled and educated makes you (and them) more valuable to the employer, and as a result the employer is motivated to do more to keep such workers happy and not just financially. This is why it used to be true for the overwhelming majority of exempt

    However, this is not the rule as it once was. Many employers have used exempt status to limit their labor costs and as a result many people who are not quite as skilled or educated as you and I have been classified as exempt. It's no longer for the highly skilled and now applies also to secretaries, fast food workers, sales "associates", etc - IOW, people that are more easily replaced so the employer doesn't have to allow them as much flexibility as what you have experienced.

    And that's why we're seeing an increase in the # of lawsuits claiming that employers are illegally denying their employees overtime.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Sadly, it's not addressing the real. Which is, despite record busting profitability, companies are staying the course of slashed payrolls. I have my OPINIONS as to why this is, as I'm sure all of you do as well.
    Sure. There is high unemployment and they can get away with it. When there is demand for employees instead of demand for jobs, that will reverse itself. Why would that surprise anyone. Unemployment is at the base of all the fiscal problems of the current economy.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by KevinKohler View Post
    Not true. Taking a day for a Dr visit WITHOUT a personal or sick day = one less days pay. Showing up late or leaving early with using personal time or sick time hours doesn't dock pay, but it's usually expected to be "paid" back in the form of longer days after.

    From my experience, working for various companies, in various fields, as a salaried worker for the last 15 years.
    Perhaps that is your personal experience, but it's not mine.

    I've been with this company for 14 years, and it's been the same for at least 12 years of it: making sure the work is done is the goal. I've not had to use personal time, vacation time or offset time. Boss does not track my hours, I don't 'punch a clock'. He's called when he's needed something on weekends, nights, even when I have officially been on vacation. He doesn't question where my time is spent. I advise him when I'll be out from courtesy.

    Perhaps it's the attitude of the worker that sets the parameters of what salary is. Those who are belligerent and display an attitude of 'it's ALL about MY paycheck' rather then truly caring how the company does, that sets the employers attitude towards the employees.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And that's why we're seeing an increase in the # of lawsuits claiming that employers are illegally denying their employees overtime.
    Even fast food managers have more flexability then the hourly employees, at least in many cases. Anyway, if what you say is true and there really are an increase in the amount of lawsuite, it would seem that law is already sufficient and some companies are simply breaking the law.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Even fast food managers have more flexability then the hourly employees, at least in many cases.
    Just because someone's job title has the word "manager" in it, that doesn't mean they actually do any managing, qualify as exempt, or have any flexibility


    Anyway, if what you say is true and there really are an increase in the amount of lawsuite, it would seem that law is already sufficient and some companies are simply breaking the law.
    If the law was sufficient, then why would an increasing # of employers decide to break the law?
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Just because someone's job title has the word "manager" in it, that doesn't mean they actually do any managing, qualify as exempt, or have any flexibility

    If the law was sufficient, then why would an increasing # of employers decide to break the law?
    Just as there are 'employees' who would break the law in any number of ways, there will be 'employers' who will do the same.

    But it all boils down to the fact if they break one law on the subject, what makes the government think they will adhere to another?
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Just as there are 'employees' who would break the law in any number of ways, there will be 'employers' who will do the same.

    But it all boils down to the fact if they break one law on the subject, what makes the government think they will adhere to another?
    When a certain type of crime is increasing, it is common for the law to toughen the penalties for those who break it on the belief that more punitive measure will have a deterrent effect.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    With all these unilateral changes, when do we stop the charade and declare Obama the benevolent leader of America til death?
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Well, frankly, I think something should be done. Companies too often pay salaries and then expect sixty hours a week with no comp time. Just exactly how fair is that?

    Folks, I think we're just going to have to get used to paying more for things. Workers need some help to assure their fair treatment. It's time we all realized that.

    I was offered a managerial job ten-plus years ago. The offer letter came to me with a salary promise, description of benefits, and a caveat that I would be expected to work sixty hours a week. So, I'll ask again: Just exactly how fair is that?
    Did you take it? I am in business for myself I don't use employees anymore and will never use them again. I hire contractors. Its cheaper and I can get rid of them at will if I so choose. Further I have to obligatory FEELINGS. Its all business. Business people don't get overtime. They get whatever the customer pays for service. Is willing to pay. If you are not treated fairly at a job then I would suggest either getting another job or starting your own business. Making more laws and regs just screws things up more.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Just because someone's job title has the word "manager" in it, that doesn't mean they actually do any managing, qualify as exempt, or have any flexibility
    If they truly do not qualify as exempt, then the company is breaking the law.

    If the law was sufficient, then why would an increasing # of employers decide to break the law?
    This seems like a silly comment... It sounds like your problem is with the enforcement of the law, not a problem with the law itself.

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