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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    He keeps ignoring the "all the requirements" part. Even worse, he's arguing that when a worker receives OT for working more than 40 hours, it means they're not receiving a salary, even if they are.
    Well I did it so I know he's mistaken.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, they receive a predetermined amount each week, so they are salaried.

    The definition I just posted does not say they can't receive additional money. It doesn't say they have to receive the same amount each week. It only says the amount can't be decreased.

    http://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/complian...17g_salary.pdf
    If they receive more, due to working more hours, that is not a predetermined amount. That is a predetermined amount + extra money.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    If they receive more, due to working more hours, that is not a predetermined amount. That is a predetermined amount + extra money.
    Correct - the OT is not a predetermined amount

    But the salary is.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Why would you prefer being exempt?
    Because you never have to worry about your hours being cut, or running out of time to complete your tasks well.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Turns out I was wrong, on this piece (to make myself feel a little better: I am still correct that exempt employees typically have more flexibility from employers)

    Based on this website - and these were a lot of the problems I saw with it, so I can't believe employers actually do it... It is just a bomb waiting to happen.

    Why I Don’t Like “Non-Exempt Salaried” Arrangements | Payroll Experts

    Don’t do it. It’s a trap. No, I’m not saying that your employees are trying to trap you. What I am saying is that sooner or later the nature of non-exempt salaried arrangements often leads employers to inadvertently violate the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So what would be your coherent argument against it? What is your argument against people working harder and earning money?
    People need the opportunity to find their passion in life, they shouldn't be offered more money to work more hours away from their friends and families, and its not good for their health working longer hours.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaGo View Post
    Salaried employees are paid a flat rate regardless of how many hours they work that week. 'Time off' for things like doctors appointments, illness, long lunch, whatever, doesn't reduce your pay. Salary is more about being goal oriented then clock watching.

    IMO, salaried employees are more productive then hourly. There may be times when more hours are needed to complete something, and times when it's not. The employer knows their labor costs regardless of the number of hours to complete the job/project.

    But to each her own.

    Once more, if this is true, the current administration is jeopardizing full time employment. After all, why pay someone salary if there will be mandatory add ons? Back to hourly.... and two part timers is cheaper then one full timer plus overtime.
    Not true. Taking a day for a Dr visit WITHOUT a personal or sick day = one less days pay. Showing up late or leaving early with using personal time or sick time hours doesn't dock pay, but it's usually expected to be "paid" back in the form of longer days after.

    From my experience, working for various companies, in various fields, as a salaried worker for the last 15 years.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Abused?

    They go into it knowing the package. It was their choice to take the job.
    Not always true. I was told an average of 45 hours per week, 1 hour lunch each day, etc. I have yet to receive more than 20 minutes for lunch. And my average is 55 hours per week, with holiday season bumping it to 65-70.

    And restaurant management was even worse. 20 minute lunches would be a dream to many managers in food service.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Right.. and if they are not meeting those requirements..> What are they again? Oh, that's right. Hourly. Geeze man. You can't pay a salaried individual OT, as that would clearly make them hourly emplyoees

    What is Exempt - What is an Exempt Employee - Exempt Employee Definition
    An hourly employee gets time and a half OT. A non executive exempt salaried employee gets strait time OT.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    This a response to an existing problem.

    Employers cut payrolls during the recession. The amount of work that needed to be done was not reduced. It fell to the salaried employees (mostly managers, who, at the time, qualified for executive exemption) to take on that burden. The number of hours they worked increased exponentially. PLUS. They were doing the jobs of their hourlies...more than executive or administrative duties. Meaning, they now were no longer eligible for executive exemption of OT.

    At first, no big deal. Everyone did their part to survive. It was understood that this was the needs of the business. But in recent years, as wages remain frozen, mid level bonuses still in hiatus, payrolls still slashed, and mid managers still burning the candle on both ends for their employer...but corporate profits and profit margins soaring, executive bonuses and other compensation setting records...the anger built. Lawsuits were filed. Class actions. All across America, managers are suing for lost OT compensation as a result of no longer being exempt due to not having any staff. My company alone is now facing it's THIRD class action in 5 years from mid managers over this same subject.

    Frankly, most of us don't WANT to be made hourly...we just want our staff back. Pay them...or pay us.

    This attempt by the current administration seems to be an effort to fix the issue on a broader scale without having to settle suit after suit after suit.

    Sadly, it's not addressing the real. Which is, despite record busting profitability, companies are staying the course of slashed payrolls. I have my OPINIONS as to why this is, as I'm sure all of you do as well.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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