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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

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    Economies that grow also have bankruptcies. That doesn't mean that successful economies require bankruptcies.
    But economies with no inflation don't grow. At least, not for very long
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    No, but it sure does indicate:


    if they are making more because of OT, that is not predetermined. If they are non-exempt, the company has to keep track of the employee's hours, unless they want to risk breaking the law, the employee would be eligible for OT and other protections and they would no longer be considered salaried.
    That isn't true. They *are* receiving the pre-determined amount....plus OT.

    And if an employee is non-exempt then yes the employer does have to track their hours. That's true whether they are salaried or not.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

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    You forced to work for those wages or conditions? No jyst wait for government to fix it for ya! Gotta hand it to the king, doesnt matrer the negative real world damage he's doing, it feels good to emotionally vulnerable helpless folks who cant function unless government makes it FAIR.
    But you are one of those emotionally vulnerable helpless folks who cant function unless government makes it FAIR.....

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I work at for a company, big insurance/bank that services military members. But to work for them, I work for a contractor. The first employer I had got fired. They were sued for not paying us for breaks among other bad moves. New employer comes in, this is a foreign contract company. They made us salaried, non-exempt. All good, my pay jumped, good bennies. We work 5 days a week, 8 hours a day. They also chose to not pay for breaks, this was pointed out as why our last contractor was fired, so now we get a one hour lunch. With me so far? Good. Here's where it get's fubar. They have declared us "Flexible Work Week" employees. Thus if I work ANY overtime, it's paid at a .5x rate. Now according to the labor department, there are a few requirements to be FWW designated.

    Labor: Paying salaried non-exempt employees using the fluctuating workweek method

    They sent an HR rep after people voiced displeasure at this apparent violation of the law, and their answer was "you may take calls that last past then end of your shift, so your work week "flexes". The number of people talking lawyer is insane right now. This of course means that come the Holidays, good luck getting anyone to show up![/FONT][/COLOR]

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-an...l-story-3.html
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    Due pay for working overtime. They are abusing the law, to claim they don't have to pay us 1.5x over time. I make, in hourly rate, 16.3 an hour. Under their rules, I'd make 8.15 an hour for each hour of overtime, but it gets worse, with these rules, the MORE overtime I work, the lower the payment. For example, I worked ten hours on Labor day (at the time on a 4x10 schedule), under normal over time rules that should have been base pay +1.5x per hour. I got 22 dollars over for working the holiday.

    22.

    It should have been 224.5

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    ****ing hypocrite.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Not confusing that at all. The law doesn't require exempt employees to have more flexability and I have never claimed that it did.

    But the fact is, that exempt employees typically have more flexibility than non-exempt employees.
    This debate started because you stated that you (and your fellow employees) objected to being converted into non-exempt employees because then you would have less flexibility. My point is that the lack of flexibility was not determined by any law, but by your employers choice and you could negotiate to retain that flexibility.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    Not intentionally. There is no law that exempt employees have to be given more flexability. However, they typically are, right?
    Of course not intentionally
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by buck View Post
    This is a different argument. If someone is salaried, they are exempt. If someone does not meet they requirements of the law, then they are not salaried (and not exempt from the law), they are hourly and are eligible for OT.
    Wrong. Being exempt and being salaried are two different things. If someone doesn't meet the requirements of exemption, then they are non-exempt. But they may be salaried, or maybe not.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

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    But you are one of those emotionally vulnerable helpless folks who cant function unless government makes it FAIR.....





    ****ing hypocrite.
    Negatory. Fail post. My issue is my employer is cheating the laws as they are. Big difference
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That isn't true. They *are* receiving the pre-determined amount....plus OT.

    And if an employee is non-exempt then yes the employer does have to track their hours. That's true whether they are salaried or not.
    You are incorrect. If they are a salaried employee, they are also exempt.

    Employee Compensation Law & Legal Definition

    As a consequence of legislative language, salary-earning employees are sometimes referred to as "exempt" employees and hourly workers as "non-exempt"; in other words the first are exempt from the requirements of Fair Labor Standards Act (discussed below), the latter group are covered.
    Since they are covered by the law in question, they are not salaried. They are hourly. The employee has to pay them and ensure they are not working more or less then otherwise stated.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    But economies with no inflation don't grow. At least, not for very long
    Of course economies can grow without inflation, economies can even grow in times of deflation.. More common, however, are economies that don't grow but still have inflation.
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    Re: OVERTIME OVERHAUL Obama reportedly to issue order expanding eligibility

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    Of course not intentionally
    Of course not indeed. Exempt employees often have more flexibility than non-exempt employees, correct?

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