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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    It would be too late if done in EU borders also!
    You might be right. But maybe western europe would do well to spend some time under putin. It might make them appreciate the US a little more.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You might be right. But maybe western europe would do well to spend some time under putin. It might make them appreciate the US a little more.
    I think you speak volumes with that. They have been feeling safe from Russian influence largely due to our resistance throughout centuries here. The West north did not get to experience the widespread of barbarianism in the form of Southern Slavs that divided Rome and the Byzantine Empire.

    We did and we know what we speak of. So yes, they should appreciate both us as ancient fighters and survivors of such a mass influx as well as you of course as our present grown up son who became a Superpower. If it was not for you the whole of Balkans would have fallen under the Serbo-Russian influence.
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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I think you speak volumes with that. They have been feeling safe from Russian influence largely due to our resistance throughout centuries here. The West north did not get to experience the widespread of barbarianism in the form of Southern Slavs that divided Rome and the Byzantine Empire.

    We did and we know what we speak of. So yes, they should appreciate both us as ancient fighters and survivors of such a mass influx as well as you of course as our present grown up son who became a Superpower. If it was not for you the whole of Balkans would have fallen under the Serbo-Russian influence.
    Im glad you are free, where you are. I wish europe could free itself from what historically has been nearly constant war but if history is any judge, that peace wont last. This is reality.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im glad you are free, where you are. I wish europe could free itself from what historically has been nearly constant war but if history is any judge, that peace wont last. This is reality.
    Having long lasting wars throughout millenniums does provides a bad reputation. I agree that if History is to be looked upon that peace would not last if we do not cooperate.

    You see due to limited technology (compared to what we have now) quarrels and conflicts have usually been with neighboring countries. Europe is big . If we are angry still with our neighbors and we do not trust them, with present transportation technology, what is to stop from cooperating with next to neighboring countries?

    I think airplanes should be cheaper. I think we should cooperate ASAP and turn EU to a nation entirely based on this next neighbor larger cooperation method.

    Perhaps trust may be build in a few millenniums also just like it was ruined in just as much. This is more realistic than pushing cooperation with distrusted neighbors today. There would not be a downsize to this apart from having your neighbor as a 4th or 5th connection after the ones that had nothing to do historically with your demise take place in the most inner circle of your cooperation network in maintain EU as a nation.
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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Having long lasting wars throughout millenniums does provides a bad reputation. I agree that if History is to be looked upon that peace would not last if we do not cooperate.

    You see due to limited technology (compared to what we have now) quarrels and conflicts have usually been with neighboring countries. Europe is big . If we are angry still with our neighbors and we do not trust them, with present transportation technology, what is to stop from cooperating with next to neighboring countries?

    I think airplanes should be cheaper. I think we should cooperate ASAP and turn EU to a nation entirely based on this next neighbor larger cooperation method.

    Perhaps trust may be build in a few millenniums also just like it was ruined in just as much. This is more realistic than pushing cooperation with distrusted neighbors today. There would not be a downsize to this apart from having your neighbor as a 4th or 5th connection after the ones that had nothing to do historically with your demise take place in the most inner circle of your cooperation network in maintain EU as a nation.
    Its hard to imagine such a situation. There is still some animosity about our civil war 150+ years ago, but thats nothing like europe, I think.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Its hard to imagine such a situation. There is still some animosity about our civil war 150+ years ago, but thats nothing like europe, I think.
    The difference there is that the whole of USA was in war. Hence the animosity.

    In Europe wars were more localized. So you had wars that lasted for centuries between France and England, Deutchland and France, Us and Slavs, etc. But we did had nothing with say Ireland, Suomiland, Norway, Dutch, Belgium, Spain (thus confused why they do not recognize us still), Iceland, Austria, Switzerland, and many others. Hence we should use this Historical opportunity to cooperate with these first and with others later.

    That is the difference when viewed Historically between USA and Europe.
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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Well, who rented/leased the 200 Academi troops then. They don't even require uniforms, even unmarked ones. Can oligarchs afford mercenaries and how many? Can mercenaries enforce a DEMOCRACY. Are they the foundation of LIBERTY. These buzzwords are driving me bonkers. Not enough network programming, I suppose. Of course, you wouldn't be deluded by any propaganda, would ya'. No, nary a chance. Well, perhaps. Maybe sometimes, or all the time. Sorta a comfort zone for the military mentality. Like nursery rhymes for the chilluns', eh?

    Margaret Kimberley - Propaganda
    "Propaganda

    By Margaret Kimberley

    March 12, 2014 "Information Clearing House - "BAR"- German chancellor Angela Merkel said that Russian president Vladimir Putin was not “in touch with reality” and was “in another world.” At least that is how the New York Times quotes an unnamed source. Those words have been repeated by reporters, bloggers, pundits and late night talk show hosts numerous times over the past week. Unfortunately there are a few problems with this often repeated quote. There is no proof that Merkel said such a thing at all, and if she did that she meant he was unstable, as many Americans happily and ignorantly assert. Logic and real reporting show that such a statement was highly unlikely. No matter. It has endlessly been reported as fact. Welcome to American style propaganda.
    It is impossible for most Americans to think that their country and their government are not beloved around the world. That attitude is due to the relentless propaganda we are subject to our entire lives. We are told our nation is the best, richest, most just, and most deserving. After years of brain washing we are subject to a cynical collaboration between politicians and big business, the same big businesses who run our media outlets and determine what we’ll see and what we should think about what they choose to reveal.

    This perversity has many negative consequences. Among them is the public acceptance and approval of nearly every crime committed by our government. If an American president decides that the elected head of state in other country must go, then go he must. The president of Haiti was literally kidnapped by the United States and taken out of his country, with hardly any outcry from Americans. If the Venezuelan people vote for a leftist government and make the same choice in election after election, we are told to ignore the will of that population and join our government in opposing another people’s choice.

    “The Obama administration is determined to make good on neo-con fantasies of United States world domination.”

    The current target of government and media propaganda is Russian president Vladimir Putin. When George W. Bush was president he bestowed the silly moniker Putey Pute and the press followed right along in declaring Putin an A OK kind of guy. He was a friend of our president who knew how to do a deal when called upon and who wouldn’t rock America’s boat.

    Fast forward another ten years or so. When the United States and NATO nations set their sights on making Ukraine a puppet fiefdom, the president of the superpower next door said not so fast. Suddenly he was no longer Putey Pute, but an enemy to be hated, feared or derided as a figure of fun. The Obama administration is determined to make good on neo-con fantasies of United States world domination, and anyone who stands in the way is the next target of propaganda from within the government and without.

    Photos taken on one day five years ago showing a shirtless Putin are shown again and again. One gets the impression that he rarely wears any clothing. The same media who considered Putin good copy because he hunts, fishes, pilots planes, swims with dolphins and drives formula one race cars now use the same information to convince Americans that he is either a brute or a fool who can and should be bent to their country’s will.

    The anti-Putin hysteria and joke telling began in earnest when he put a stop to Obama’s plan to attack Syria, Russia’s ally. Even the recent Winter Olympics became a victim of the United States propaganda machine. In truth, every Olympics is an opportunity for corruption, theft, and displacement of thousands of people. The Sochi games were no worse in those regards but tales of mismanagement and possible terror attacks were magnified because Uncle Sam’s enemy du jour was on worldwide display. When the United States and NATO attempt to make Ukraine a puppet fiefdom met resistance, no stone was unturned in the anti-Putin propaganda fest.

    “The anti-Putin hysteria and joke telling began in earnest when he put a stop to Obama’s plan to attack Syria, Russia’s ally.”

    Like good little scribes the media follow the White House line that German chancellor Angela Merkel would assist in bolstering the United States position vis a vis Putin. The networks and newspapers were so eager to curry favor that they omitted any mention of reports that the NSA tapped Merkel’s personal cell phone for a period of ten years. Of course bringing up that story would force coverage of whistle blower Edward Snowden’s revelations. That is a sore subject for the White House and has of course been relegated away from the front pages now that public compliance is so urgently needed.

    The media also omitted the fact that Putin speaks German. The two leaders literally speak the same language and both are targets of United States efforts to control the world and turn everyone into a subject of domination or an enemy. It may be Obama administration wishful thinking that Merkel will carry America’s water but there is no reason for anyone else to believe such nonsense.

    The New York Times happily picked up the bone left by the Obama White House but didn’t bother telling readers that Merkel’s staff disputed the account. The German newspaper Die Welt reported that "The chancellery was not pleased with the reporting on the conversation. They claim that what the chancellor said was that Putin has a different perception on Crimea, which is why she is pushing for a fact finding mission on the matter."

    We will never know her exact words but we do know the most important fact of all. The United States government creates and disseminates propaganda to assist in having its way with the world. They have ready and willing compatriots in the corporate media and an apathetic or uniformed public. That mixture is a recipe for lying to be undisputed and for wrongs to go on without protest. Propaganda is not a word meant just for other countries but for ours too. There is official propaganda right here in America and pretending it doesn’t exist only strengthens a system which will put itself and the rest of the world on a course of ultimate destruction.

    Margaret Kimberley's Freedom Rider column appears weekly in BAR, and is widely reprinted elsewhere. She maintains a frequently updated blog as well as at Freedom Rider. Ms. Kimberley lives in New York City, and can be reached via e-Mail at Margaret.Kimberley(at)BlackAgendaReport.com."
    Nice to see there are some Americans who are immune to such propaganda. I see this has been largely ignored here. You're swimming against the current Dave.
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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    In the spirit of debate, I'll ignore the personal attack on me and the uneducated attack on all military veterans since most veterans are the first to stand up against using force when at all possible.

    I will however ask for any actual proof that what you claim is true and correct. Or maybe you would be better served posting your thesis in the Conspiracy Theory sub-forum?
    Now all you have to do is all a native of these two areas in the link and ask them if they've seen any mercenaries. That is the only thing that will satisfy you. Ah yes. the force is strong within you.

    Russia Warns Of American Deaths As Ukraine Crisis Spirals Out Of Control
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    To the estimated 1,800 of these Academi mercenaries now operating in Ukraine, this report warns, they have been actively suppressing the popular uprisings in the Russian-speaking regions of Donetsk and Lugansk [see video HERE], but failed to stop these citizens from protesting against the self-proclaimed government in Kiev, most especially in Lugansk where thousands of protesters this afternoon blocked and occupied the regional administration building, hoisting a Russian flag on its top.

    Most dangerous to report, this report further warns, is that a Russian diplomat in Kiev has informed the Interfax news agency that 300 more of these mercenaries had arrived there too, and as he stated: “These are soldiers of fortune proficient in combat operations. Most of them had operated under private contracts in Iraq, Afghanistan and other states. Most of them come from the United States.”

    Upon these US-backed mercenaries arriving in Kiev, this report continues, they began the mobilization of Ukraine’s depleted military forces (as over a third of them have already pledged their allegiance to Russia) and have begun dispatching in great numbers military trucks, armored personnel carriers, surface-to-air missiles, howitzers, and tanks [see all videos HERE] towards their eastern Russian-speaking regions and Crimea.

    Critical to note about the Obama regimes continued aggression towards Russia in its attempt to start a Ukrainian war, this report says, are the American propagandists continuing to assert that Putin “wants to rebuild USSR with Ukraine.”"

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Where have I said I only watch western media?

    I'm the one that posted links to Espreso TV (Ukraine TV) as well as other outlets in a thread on this very forum. I've been watching news outlets from around the world. Even Russia (RT is just one of the Russian news outlets I watch). I speak enough Russian to understand what they say, so I don't need subtitles, which those on RT are sometimes not even close to what people are actually saying. Espreso is in Russian. I also have been watching Turkish news and they have been showing a hell of a lot, live as it happens.

    Maybe you could tell me which news outlets you get your news from? Since you seem to know so much about me and my TV habits?

    Get a real argument together or go peddle your propaganda somewhere else.

    The Russians stormed the Crimean Parliament after a protest (which was just a few people that didn't enter or even try to enter the building) was crushed by Russian and pro-Russian forces. The Russians stormed the Crimean Parliament and imposed their guy as the new leader of the Parliament... the same guy that his entire party only got 3% of the vote in the last election.

    I do have one question that I don't think you can answer honestly... Where in the hell does Russia get the right to invade another sovereign nation with which they have a signed treaty with that prohibits that very action????

    Can you answer that???
    I get my news from any number of sources. Oddly, I do get most of my info from Western media, but I pay close attention to specific details and notice when those details suddenly disappear as the propaganda offensive escalates.

    Determined to block the local legislature from heeding calls from pro-Russia activists for more autonomy and even secession from Ukraine, 5,000 Crimean Tatars, the region’s indigenous Turkic, Muslim population, traded taunts and occasional blows with protesters waving Russian flags.


    After a peaceful start, the dueling rallies turned into a melee in the late afternoon. A couple of dozen Tatars broke into the legislative building, surging past riot police officers to confront anxious local legislators huddled inside.


    “Where are the separatists?” screamed a furious Tatar activist, banging a wooden staff on the marble floor.
    Source: The New York Times

    Of course, as I said, no one is talking about that and you clearly are ignorant of at least the part where they broke into the parliament building. Details best forgotten in the eyes of the Western media.
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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    When's the last time you saw some?
    I am very involved in the conflict between Russia and Ukraine. I see how the RF uses subordinate to the Kremlin (in Russia now has no independent media) radio TV and internet, against Ukraine. In Russia, even internet subordinated to the Kremlin and the constantly censored.

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