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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I wasn't referring to the BBC report, other than it is questionable IMO, given that Russians and specifically Cossaks are doing a lot of what Ukrainians are being blamed for.
    What?

    Btw. Here is some info regarding some more "freedom":
    OSCE media freedom representative concerned about new steps to restrict media plurality in Ukraine - Representative on Freedom of the Media

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I am very aware of the history of Ukraine. And the history of that entire region for that matter (Black Sea, Balkans, Urals, etc.). I spent over a year on the ground their working hand in hand with many of the ethnic groups in that region. I had to study their history, and got first hand accounts and knowledge of their lives both historically and currently.
    Great, and for some reason though you go own to write, what you've written below.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I didn't say that no ethnic tensions existed at all. I said: ".. But Russia is playing to the ethnic tension and creating ethnic tension where none existed. ..."

    There is of course tensions between ethic groups that spans millennia. But Russia is inflaming it to a dangerous fevered pitch, and creating major ethnic tensions where none currently existed. An example of this is that the Tartars that were run out of Crimea by Stalin in WWII and have started returning to Crimea in the last few decades. They have been reintegrating back into society with very little problems... until now.
    Actually, the thing that made these tensions visible than ever before is not Russia, but the latest revolution and the sides that people willingly/unwillingly decided to take in it. These tensions, in some cases existed for centuries other are more recent, but they never went away, they were simply moderated by the daily life people have to live next to each other - but they did not disappear, and so "Moskal" in the west, is still "Moskal".

    For example, the Tatars you mentioned are of course scared (especially elderly people) - it is understandable - hence the Medjlis calls for boycotting the referendum.
    However, there are already negotiators talking to them both from Crimea and even from Russia in order to try and assure them that no harm would be made to them. Would they be satisfied? probably not, but there is no way in which a revolution could please all the people that are involved/affected by it.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Beau, you think that the US has greater concerns in the Ukraine than Russia?
    Our concern is no less than Russia's. With the exception that Ukraine violence could have spilled over the border into Russia. The problem is that the violence stopped before Russia invaded. They could have closed the border and placed troops along the border to prevent it. They didn't. They invaded Crimea and it looks like they're moving into the eastern region as well.
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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Please watch this video and tell me which side is attacking journalists:

    Yep, I was just about to post that, watched it on youtube this morning.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Already posted this but here it is anyways, watch the video report as well.

    BBC News - Ukraine crisis: Kiev tightens grip on Donetsk in east

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Please watch this video and tell me which side is attacking journalists:

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    The reporters were indeed lucky! They were only accused of holding fiction weapons such as "knives" and "guns" that was enough to warrant a search.

    Wonder what would happen to the civilians of Ukraine if Russians accused them of fiction atrocities against other Russians also?
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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Our concern is no less than Russia's. With the exception that Ukraine violence could have spilled over the border into Russia. The problem is that the violence stopped before Russia invaded. They could have closed the border and placed troops along the border to prevent it. They didn't. They invaded Crimea and it looks like they're moving into the eastern region as well.
    Yes the reporter said that they have moved further from Crimea!
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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Russia and Ukraine accusing each other over press freedom is hilarious. (148 and 127 on reporters without borders index respectively)

    http://rsf.org/index2014/en-index2014.php

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    The elderly woman there states in that video that "Love for Russia never ended, just that generations have grown to believe that Ukraine is independent from Russia."
    Yet they compare Ukraine with Dardania?

    When did we ever loved Russia?! It has been the sole supporter of Southern Slavs that have brought our demise on our own native lands since from middle aged 7th century till 1999 (with a few centuries of pause from terror during Ottoman Empire).
    > What are you talking about?

    EDIT: People at least Google Chonhar in Google map before you talk about "Russian invasion" to the East.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    > What are you talking about?
    Yeah! I could not believe it myself. But Russians in Chrimea officially refer us about their unilateral independence. As if we are the same situation!

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    EDIT: People at least Google Chonhar in Google map before you talk about "Russian invasion" to the East.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Our concern is no less than Russia's. With the exception that Ukraine violence could have spilled over the border into Russia. The problem is that the violence stopped before Russia invaded. They could have closed the border and placed troops along the border to prevent it. They didn't. They invaded Crimea and it looks like they're moving into the eastern region as well.
    Yeah. Well, we disagree that the Ukraine has the same significance to the US as it does to Russia. But, besides that, the US started this, not Russia. Having been working in the Ukraine, as we have elsewhere, to encourage and support the overthrow of the elected government by force, the president under fire as his caravan was fleeing, is hardly a democratic process, and regardless of Western propaganda to the contrary, the "new government" was not elected, nor representative of all the Ukrainian people. I've been telling you for a long time that Russia and China (as well as many other smaller, less powerful countries) are tired of US interference and "regime change" in countries that we wish to influence and control. Our ambassadors have been run out of Venezuela for the same thing, we forced the Bolivian presidents plane to the ground and detained it on the field for 8 hours searching through it for Snowden, how stupid was that, and something that Americans would be screaming bloody murder,was an act of war, should it have happened to our president on Air Force One. At any rate, I can't hardly blame Russia for calling bull**** on the US for our subservience in trying to pull Ukraine into the Western orbit, and only makes sense that they would be pulling it back.

    Is the Ukraine of such value to you that you would be willing to risk hostilities with Russia, or in any way spend our blood and treasure on it?
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