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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    This was a great report.
    Thanks for the share.
    I recommend it to anyone.
    Thank you. This is the sixth report in a series. Go to their YouTube page for the other five. He posts them the day after or the evening they are filmed. It is very up to date.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Couldn't care less about who might use Vice's videos. I haven't seen anything new in any of the videos I watched from them so far, only re-reporting of old news.
    So...what about that point that you were trying to make with that video, care to share it?

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    That the Russian report in the OP is ironic at least, and bulls**t propaganda at worst.

    I thought that was clear by the question I asked in the same post as the video. Did you see the question?

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Are you talking about the other VICE vid that shows the bus full of international military observers being turned away by the Russians?
    No, but I saw that one too.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    That the Russian report in the OP is ironic at least, and bulls**t propaganda at worst.

    I thought that was clear by the question I asked in the same post as the video. Did you see the question?
    You quoted my post where I posted a report from the BBC, I assume you didn't see/read it - or it is probably also some-kind of a propaganda.

    Moreover, in one of your previous posts you mentioned that no ethnic tensions existed until the Russian intervention - you really need to stop watching YouTube videos and read some of Ukraine's history, old and modern.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    From what I can tell from the multitude of reports I've seen, the eastern Ukraine journalist abductions and beatings are being done mostly by Russian cossaks and in rare occasions by pissed off crowds that may or may not be Ukrainian.

    I agree about the commander. He is doing his job and that's what is happening in most of Ukraine from what I can tell. But Russia is playing to the ethnic tension and creating ethnic tension where none existed. The same as they did when they supported, financed and armed Milosevic in Serbia when they attacked the Bosnians, Croats and ethnic Moldovans (I was there).
    My opinion is this:
    Whats going on is very confusing. Its almost clear that the vast majority of whats going on in Kiev and western Ukraine is clearly Western friendly and that they want to be part of the EU and want to move on from the BS. What is not so clear is the eastern Ukranian area, espeially focusing on Crimeia. There have been reports that the Russian gov overan the vote in the Crimeian parliament to force them bascially move the vote to go to the people in a resolution for them to direclty vote on. This is also all speculation.


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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Yeah, right. One of the more horrific acts of the USA in WWII was not allowing German, Italian and Japanese reporters in the USA.

    The claim of Russia is absurd. Every Russian reporter should be arrested as a spy if not wearing a uniform and as a POW if wearing a Russian uniform. Russia has gone to war again Ukraine and militarily invaded their country.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What the hell are you talking about?
    Are you saying silencing reporters is ok?
    "Reporters" from the country that has gone to war against your country and militarily invaded that country. Hell yeah. Do more than silence them. Imprison them.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    You quoted my post where I posted a report from the BBC, I assume you didn't see/read it - or it is probably also some-kind of a propaganda.

    Moreover, in one of your previous posts you mentioned that no ethnic tensions existed until the Russian intervention - you really need to stop watching YouTube videos and read some of Ukraine's history, old and modern.

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    I wasn't referring to the BBC report, other than it is questionable IMO, given that Russians and specifically cossaks are doing a lot of what Ukrainians are being blamed for.

    I am very aware of the history of Ukraine. And the history of that entire region for that matter (Black Sea, Balkans, Urals, etc.). I spent over a year on the ground their working hand in hand with many of the ethnic groups in that region. I had to study their history, and got first hand accounts and knowledge of their lives both historically and currently.

    I didn't say that no ethnic tensions existed at all. I said:
    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    ... But Russia is playing to the ethnic tension and creating ethnic tension where none existed. ...
    There is of course tensions between ethic groups that spans millennia. But Russia is inflaming it to a dangerous fevered pitch, and creating major ethnic tensions where none currently existed. An example of this is that the Tartars that were run out of Crimea by Stalin in WWII have started returning to Crimea in the last few decades. They have been reintegrating back into society with very little problems... until now.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    My opinion is this:
    Whats going on is very confusing. Its almost clear that the vast majority of whats going on in Kiev and western Ukraine is clearly Western friendly and that they want to be part of the EU and want to move on from the BS. What is not so clear is the eastern Ukranian area, espeially focusing on Crimeia. There have been reports that the Russian gov overan the vote in the Crimeian parliament to force them bascially move the vote to go to the people in a resolution for them to direclty vote on. This is also all speculation.
    I agree with your assessment. It's very difficult to know exactly what's happening and who's doing ti to whom.

    Did you see the video of the Russian Special Forces blowing the doors down to the Crimean Parliament using explosives and storming the building? This occurred the same day that the guy that his party (pro-Russian party that got only 3% of the vote in the last election) was put in power (by Russia) and that guy was made the head of the Crimean Parliament.

    There is proof of certain things that we can know as fact. Such as the video I mentioned, as well as other video and interviews with Russian soldiers admitting they are Russian.

    Here's the bottom line...

    No matter what has happened or is happening in Ukraine, Russia did not have the right to invade. Period.

    Put troops on the border? Sure. That would be prudent for any government to do. But invade? Hell no.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Beau, you think that the US has greater concerns in the Ukraine than Russia?
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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