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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Please watch this video and tell me which side is attacking journalists:

    Why would I want to watch that bs journalist reporting last weeks news.
    If you are really interested in actual assault on journalists by pro-Russian paramilitary units here is a better example:



    Btw. What was your point in posting that Vice vid?


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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Please watch this video and tell me which side is attacking journalists:

    How about the fact that these russians pulled out only for foreign observers and then returned?

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Please watch this video and tell me which side is attacking journalists:

    I never said either side was attacking journalists like it was some one sided thing. Both sides are doing it. What i think the Russians are doing is despicable and needs to end, its clearly aggression and imperialist ambitions. But by saying that i also see that extremist right wing ambitions might take some sort of power in Ukraine. Does this mean i think russia needs to come in? No. I want Ukraine to deal with Ukraine period. I also agree that Ukraine has the right to defend itself from Russian aggression.

    My personal stance if i was in the region would be one of the "commander" they spoke to. He spoke of a non nationalist stance of being Russian blood does not make a difference to him.


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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What the hell are you talking about?
    Are you saying silencing reporters is ok?
    Im saying Russia crying about it is supreme irony. Pay attention to whats happening instead of making grand statements about what other people need to do.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im saying Russia crying about it is supreme irony. Pay attention to whats happening instead of making grand statements about what other people need to do.
    I never said what others need to do. Im making a universal statment. Russia is obviously disallowing people from reporting certain things. I never said the Ukrainian new gov is making the claims as well, but some representatives of the gov are not allowing that; that being free press.


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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Fallenangel View Post
    Why would I want to watch that bs journalist reporting last weeks news.
    If you are really interested in actual assault on journalists by pro-Russian paramilitary units here is a better example:



    Btw. What was your point in posting that Vice vid?


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    I've seen that vid as well.

    Vice is, in this instance, doing a great job showing what's really happening where they are. They aren't everywhere, and they are getting access to areas no one else is reporting on. Go to their YouTube page and watch the other five videos they've posted. I've been watching them since the first video was posted. Even CNN is using them now.

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Please watch this video and tell me which side is attacking journalists:

    This was a great report.
    Thanks for the share.
    I recommend it to anyone.


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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How about the fact that these russians pulled out only for foreign observers and then returned?
    Are you talking about the other VICE vid that shows the bus full of international military observers being turned away by the Russians?

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I've seen that vid as well.

    Vice is, in this instance, doing a great job showing what's really happening where they are. They aren't everywhere, and they are getting access to areas no one else is reporting on. Go to their YouTube page and watch the other five videos they've posted. I've been watching them since the first video was posted. Even CNN is using them now.
    Couldn't care less about who might use Vice's videos. I haven't seen anything new in any of the videos I watched from them so far, only re-reporting of old news.
    So...what about that point that you were trying to make with that video, care to share it?

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    Re: Russia Slams Violation of Media Freedoms in Ukraine

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I never said either side was attacking journalists like it was some one sided thing. Both sides are doing it. What i think the Russians are doing is despicable and needs to end, its clearly aggression and imperialist ambitions. But by saying that i also see that extremist right wing ambitions might take some sort of power in Ukraine. Does this mean i think russia needs to come in? No. I want Ukraine to deal with Ukraine period. I also agree that Ukraine has the right to defend itself from Russian aggression.

    My personal stance if i was in the region would be one of the "commander" they spoke to. He spoke of a non nationalist stance of being Russian blood does not make a difference to him.
    From what I can tell from the multitude of reports I've seen, the eastern Ukraine journalist abductions and beatings are being done mostly by Russian cossaks and in rare occasions by pissed off crowds that may or may not be Ukrainian.

    I agree about the commander. He is doing his job and that's what is happening in most of Ukraine from what I can tell. But Russia is playing to the ethnic tension and creating ethnic tension where none existed. The same as they did when they supported, financed and armed Milosevic in Serbia when they attacked the Bosnians, Croats and ethnic Moldovans (I was there).

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