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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Your company paid health insurance has nothing to do with ObamaCare. Company paid health insurance has been climbing at steep rates for much of the past 15 years reflecting the aging population, the high cap costs of US medicine and to pay for the uninsured (which costs $116B per year; of which $42.7B is baked into insurance premiums at an average cost of $1,017 per family).

    Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/yo...lans.html?_r=0
    Health insurance premiums climb faster in 2011 | Reuters
    Job-Based Health Insurance: Costs Climb At A Moderate Pace
    High Deductible Health Plans: Use Supplemental Insurance to Reduce Fear | The Institute for HealthCare Consumerism
    The Facts About Rising Health Care Costs

    To combat costs, companies have increased deductibles (including greater use of high-deductible plans), asked employees to pay more of their coverage and curtailed some benefits. Given the current political climate, this is a great year for companies to slash benefits and enjoy the political cover of people thinking its about Obamacare. Remember, however, Obamacare is about covering the uninsured; not re-writing corporate benefits.
    We kept hearing there were 30 million uninsured. When the dust settles, how many of those are going to be covered by Obamacare?
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    So you're insurance coverage was garbage and now you have better insurance and it cost a little more. Got it.
    No, My insurance is not 'garbage'....It is a standard 80/20 plan. It's the Obama/Pelosi standards, and wording of a law that is 'garbage'. And they forced it down our throats.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Your company paid health insurance has nothing to do with ObamaCare. Company paid health insurance has been climbing at steep rates for much of the past 15 years reflecting the aging population, the high cap costs of US medicine and to pay for the uninsured (which costs $116B per year; of which $42.7B is baked into insurance premiums at an average cost of $1,017 per family).

    Unpaid care hikes private insurance premiums by billions - amednews.com

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/yo...lans.html?_r=0
    Health insurance premiums climb faster in 2011 | Reuters
    Job-Based Health Insurance: Costs Climb At A Moderate Pace
    High Deductible Health Plans: Use Supplemental Insurance to Reduce Fear | The Institute for HealthCare Consumerism
    The Facts About Rising Health Care Costs
    No, we were lied to, and no amount of insurance companies waiting for their government taxpayer bailout, or shills for them will change that.

    To combat costs, companies have increased deductibles (including greater use of high-deductible plans), asked employees to pay more of their coverage and curtailed some benefits. Given the current political climate, this is a great year for companies to slash benefits and enjoy the political cover of people thinking its about Obamacare. Remember, however, Obamacare is about covering the uninsured; not re-writing corporate benefits.
    It's a nice fluffy cake you have there in that talking point, problem is, it simply is just that, a talking point. In the real world people are losing their insurance, and the people this was supposed to cover, are NOT signing up. Companies will start to drop people as we are already seeing, because as we always said Health coverage is a benefit, not required to be offered. If they can get cover from Obama for doing this, then I'd say Obama f'ed up. O-care is NOT insuring the previously uninsured, they couldn't afford it then, and can't afford it now that Obama has made it more expensive. You end in calling company sponsored Health insurance a "corporate benefit"? Are you serious?
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Obviously, the left wing press thought they were going to win this election, so they hyped it up as an important election. They wanted to point to this election to show that the public has accepted Obamacare. Heck, the establishment republicans did nothing to help Jolly, they expected a loss.

    Ironically, it is now important because he won. And, of course, all we hear from the left is how this is no big deal. Big win for the people here, against the big government types.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by sneakosview View Post
    We should be nicer to our Dems they have a natural tendency to mess up but they are our little messes.
    I guess it depends on what your view of "little" is... the ACA, not "little" in my book.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    Not to rain on your parade but thats been a Republican seat for almost all of the last 60 years. The tea party right winger made it close. An establishment Republican would have won by 15-20 points.
    Yeah, but the Democrat was expected to win and appeared to have all the advantages including the fact that her opponent couldn't make a speech worth a squat.

    Regardless, these special elections are not good predictors of what will happen in the next regular election.

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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Full story here: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election | Fox News

    Sink was identified by many as the better candidate, had lots of money, ran a better campaign. In this part of Florida both candidates had to be somewhat conservative of fiscal matters to even run in the district. Lauded by many including MSNBC's crew at Morning Joe (click here for the video) as a "belweather" election which will set the tone for Novembers mid-term elections, Jolly's win tonight should signal deep concerns for the DNC.
    I made a prediction in another thread, and was only off by 2 tenths of a percentage point on this one.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Based on this election, I now make my prediction for November. Democrats will gain seats in the House, but will fall 5 seats short of taking over. In the Senate, my prediction is the GOP gaining 5 seats. Final tally - Republicans 50 seats, Democrats 48 seats, and Independents 2 seats. Both Independents will caucus with the Democrats, thus giving Biden the tie breaking vote. Ramifications of this is that a couple of Democrats do not walk in lock step with their party, so votes based on the most radical Democratic agendas will fail. With this arrangement, Obama will become a partial lame duck, and gridlock will rule the day for the following 2 years.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Based on this election, I now make my prediction for November. Democrats will gain seats in the House, but will fall 5 seats short of taking over. In the Senate, my prediction is the GOP gaining 5 seats. Final tally - Republicans 50 seats, Democrats 48 seats, and Independents 2 seats. Both Independents will caucus with the Democrats, thus giving Biden the tie breaking vote. Ramifications of this is that a couple of Democrats do not walk in lock step with their party, so votes based on the most radical Democratic agendas will fail. With this arrangement, Obama will become a partial lame duck, and gridlock will rule the day for the following 2 years.

    I'm not gonna ask you to explain and for the love of God don't go around repeating that to people you know.

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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I'm not gonna ask you to explain and for the love of God don't go around repeating that to people you know.
    Why don't you go make a "funny" photoshop comic about it.
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