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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes the election was a low turnout event, but the pundits all had Sink in the lead until a few weeks ago when the ads intensified over the failure of Obamacare. The Democrats had nothing to counter. They had their get the vote out game in full force. Did it ever occur to you that those seniors who just lost their Medicare Advantage and other cuts to Medicare C thanks to Obamacare and who are paying more for their coverage related to the Obamacare ads had something to do with it? Seniors are usually the solid block of voters that do vote in these types of elections.
    It was hardly a referendum election if the results were that narrow.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    It was hardly a referendum election if the results were that narrow.
    Well when you consider it in total yeah it was. From the amount of money the left poured into this campaign, with choosing a well known recognized name as a candidate, bringing out their big gun party members to stump compared to the GOP's not so perfect candidate, yeah it's a big deal.

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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well when you consider it in total yeah it was. From the amount of money the left poured into this campaign, with choosing a well known recognized name as a candidate, bringing out their big gun party members to stump compared to the GOP's not so perfect candidate, yeah it's a big deal.
    All of that does not matter unless democratic voters show up to vote.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    All of that does not matter unless democratic voters show up to vote.
    Maybe they did and decided to vote for the Republican.

    One things certain, the whole sky is falling global warming narrative might not have been as effective as they thought.

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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    All of that does not matter unless democratic voters show up to vote.
    But just like the 2012 presidential elections, a good number of the base in the Republican party refused to even vote and stayed home because they could not support Romney. I imagine the same could be said about Democrats. I watched some coverage of the opinions of people after the election. One guy said something like "Bush was an idiot but the one in charge today makes him look like a saint".

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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But just like the 2010 presidential elections, a good number of the base in the Republican party refused to even vote and stayed home because they could not support Romney. I imagine the same could be said about Democrats. I watched some coverage of the opinions of people after the election. One guy said something like "Bush was an idiot but the one in charge today makes him look like a saint".
    Even more minority voters, mainly blacks and Latinos, failed to show up in 2010 because it was a low-turnout election.

    And 2010 was a midterm election, 2012 was a presidential election.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Even more minority voters, mainly blacks and Latinos, failed to show up in 2010 because it was a low-turnout election.

    And 2010 was a midterm election, 2012 was a presidential election.
    I already corrected that mistake on election years, but thank you. Have a good one United.

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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I don't think it is a big indicator or anything like that...But it does follow what polls are saying right now about how the people feel about O-care.

    On that an update from MY OWN company insurance....

    We just got a packet this week it laid out:

    My deductibles are going up by 75%
    My co-pays stay the same
    My prescriptions go from a flat $20 co pay to $20 co pay + 20%
    My ER cost are going up by 200% (from $100 to $300)
    and My premium is going up by 40%

    Plus they dropped my wife from coverage because her work offers insurance as well, however it is better in some places, and worse in others....

    So in essence, you could say that my premiums just doubled plus a 40% increase. You want to know what the average person like me is going to be thinking about going into the polls? It is that Obama, Pelosi, and the demo's promised that "the average family would see a $2500. savings in their premium cost per year." That was a lie....That "if you like your insurance, you'll be able to keep it" was a lie, at least in my wife's case. And I am going to be awfully scared at how demo's are purposely breaking the HC system.

    I am going to be thinking of that among other things that demo's have done, and it doesn't look good for them.
    Your company paid health insurance has nothing to do with ObamaCare. Company paid health insurance has been climbing at steep rates for much of the past 15 years reflecting the aging population, the high cap costs of US medicine and to pay for the uninsured (which costs $116B per year; of which $42.7B is baked into insurance premiums at an average cost of $1,017 per family).

    http://www.amednews.com/article/2009...t/306089983/4/

    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/yo...lans.html?_r=0
    Health insurance premiums climb faster in 2011 | Reuters
    Job-Based Health Insurance: Costs Climb At A Moderate Pace
    High Deductible Health Plans: Use Supplemental Insurance to Reduce Fear | The Institute for HealthCare Consumerism
    The Facts About Rising Health Care Costs

    To combat costs, companies have increased deductibles (including greater use of high-deductible plans), asked employees to pay more of their coverage and curtailed some benefits. Given the current political climate, this is a great year for companies to slash benefits and enjoy the political cover of people thinking its about Obamacare. Remember, however, Obamacare is about covering the uninsured; not re-writing corporate benefits.
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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Full story here: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election | Fox News

    Sink was identified by many as the better candidate, had lots of money, ran a better campaign. In this part of Florida both candidates had to be somewhat conservative of fiscal matters to even run in the district. Lauded by many including MSNBC's crew at Morning Joe (click here for the video) as a "belweather" election which will set the tone for Novembers mid-term elections, Jolly's win tonight should signal deep concerns for the DNC.
    We should be nicer to our Dems they have a natural tendency to mess up but they are our little messes.

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    Re: Republican David Jolly beats Alex Sink in Florida special election

    Quote Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
    Not to rain on your parade but thats been a Republican seat for almost all of the last 60 years. The tea party right winger made it close. An establishment Republican would have won by 15-20 points.
    It had become a swing district that remained Republican solely due to the incumbency of Bill Young.
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