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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    You're an expert on Ukrainian law?
    Prove that it's legal. Simple. Right?
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    You're an expert on Ukrainian law?
    They just arrested an opposition presidential candidate for "separatism" and the guy was only calling for greater autonomy for regions within Ukraine. Safe to say that outright secession is frowned upon in the country. If you look at international law . . . well . . that point has always been a tad vague.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

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    Of course, it all comes back to Kosovo. Clinton nearly got us into World War III with Russia over that spot of land in the 90's and it seems the issue is pushing us in that direction anyway. Makes sense that Serbia would end up being the ultimate cause of yet another world war.
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    But what you do not know is that they have been doing this ever since their arrival in 7th century middle ages. This is how they exist and how they have made it in between Roman and Byzantine empire's to begin with. Causing chaos, disturbance, barbarism, wars, is what they do and have always used it to their advantage.

    The only difference today is that Europe, USA, and other allies are more aware of this and have the strength to do something against this.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Prove that it's legal. Simple. Right?
    If I could read Ukrainian, it would be. You made the assertion, back it up.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If I could read Ukrainian, it would be. You made the assertion, back it up.
    IOW, you admit that it's illegal. Thank you for playing.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Who cares about those people?! Atrocities occur every single day all over parts of the world. Should we reinstate the draft and create a 10,000,000 person military and send them all away to right the world? We have sent thousand of our young to early deaths and disfiguring injuries trying to correct evil. We lose conflict after conflict yet we still bang the drum for democracy. From the debacle in Korea to Viet Nam to Pakistan and Iraq we goofed on all ventures. Hell, we could not even over throw an ignorant Cuban 90 miles away!! If we don't know how to do it successfully then stop doing it or send our useless politicians to fight then see how fast that idea fades from view.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by MadLib View Post
    There was no Nazi government propped up in Ukraine (and certainly not a totalitarian one). The majority of the protestors are pro-EU democrats trying to escape Russia's sphere of influence. Besides, it's not exactly a new strategy on Putin's part to utilize trumped-up ethnic rivalries in order to undermine and bully former Soviet states.
    Perhaps if you had read their history and what the Ukraine nationalist parties really stand for, you might think differently. The Svoboda is little more than a front for extreme right wing neo-nazi fascists...


    Svoboda (political party) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    See the red/black flags and the blue/gold flags and all those nazi uniforms? They are nationalists and are at the heart of every protest and difficult to miss....and now they are the new government.....

    https://www.google.com/search?q=ukra...&start=20&sa=N




    Aside from their goal of ethnic cleansing and Ukrainian purity, the Svoboda want to nationalize Ukraine industries, forbid private ownership of property, forbid imports of foreign products that compete with Ukraine products, and to re-acquire nuclear weapons....I don't see how they expect to join the EU or NATO with a platform like that and I don't see why the US is supporting them. Trading one bad apple for a rotten apple isn't the way to go, imo.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Schröder's parliament leader also said Bush was like the dictator, Julius Ceasar and his minister of justice said Bush's policies were more like Adolf Hitlers. They should know, right?
    Great point!!
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Secession is illegal.
    And some laws are stupid.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    I was looking at something today that said that Germany gets almost 40 percent of its natural gas from Russia. I don't think there is enough leverage there to force the issue with Russia. Any attempt at imposing substantial sanctions could be met with a disruption with those gas supplies. Germany is the engine of the European economy. Any such disruption would likely was devastating effects on the European economy at this crucial time.

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