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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You messages have no credibility whatsoever.

    You declare you are Green - but support Ron Paul wanting to eliminate all environmental regulations.
    You declare you oppose corporate America - but support Ron Paul eliminating all corporate and banking regulations.
    You declare you oppose American foreign intervention - but praise Russian foreign intervention.

    Your messages are so radically self contradictory as to be worthless.
    What a waste of my oxygen. Perhaps it's the vapors. Your post is a lie from beginning to end.
    However, being a free speech advocate, whenever an individual wants to flaunt their ignorance,
    I will not impede their progress. I am almost flabbergasted by the boundless enthusiasm with which
    some proceed. Don't let me slow you down. There is no law that requires one to know anything
    and no limits of that specific shortcoming. What could that all mean?
    I do like Ron Paul. Doesn't mean I always agree with him.
    I am Green. Registered, Is that like a certified dog? Am I a purebred because I'm registered?
    The USA doesn't admit intervention in Ukraine.
    Russia sems to be protecting Crimea from intervention.
    You respond because my messages do have credibility and you feel sumpin' slippin'>

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Russia sems to be protecting Crimea from intervention.
    hahahaha

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    I most certainly am qualified. I'm a patriotic and idealistic citizen and the CIA is not. Check Ollie North's testimony. A starter kit of background for your perusal. Have a nice day.

    CIA watch

    American Police State, The - David Wise
    Boomerang - Mark Zepezauer
    Blowback - Christopher Simpson
    Blowback - Chalmers Johnson
    Break-ins, Death Threats and the FBI
    Challenging the Secret Government - Post-Watergate Investigation of CIA & FBI
    CIA Diary - Philip Agee
    CIA's Greatest Hits - Mark Zepezauer
    Cocaine Politics - Peter Dale Scott
    Covert Action - the Roots of Terrorism - ed. E. Ray & W. Schaap
    Deadly Deceits - Ralph McGehee
    In Search of Enemies - John Stockwell
    JFK - The CIA, Vietnam, and the Plot to Assassinate John F. Kennedy - L. Fletcher Prouty
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    Predatory States - Operation Condor in Latin America - J. Patrice McSherry
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    War At Home - Brian Glick
    Challenging the Secret Government - K Olmsted
    Who Killed JFK ?

    The Secret Wars of the CIA - John Stockwell
    The National Endowment for Democracy page
    Articles
    And oh, I didn't even click your link until after I responded to this the first time: I had thought you were listing off books you had read. Now I see you probably haven't even read them- that link just has excerpts from those books. I would assume chosen for a specific purpose. So you not only cherry-picked books, but then cherry-picked quotes from them. But never met or worked with someone from the CIA? Been to an CIA office? But you're qualified to speak about it? That's interesting.

    I wonder what I could get DaveFagan-certified in? Read a few quotes from a few books, no experience necessary! Maybe a constitutional lawyer (I'm sure Dave thinks he's qualified to speak about that, too, actually). Maybe an Indy car driver. Movie producer? Bricklayer? The possibilities are endless, just need to find the write webpage with some quotes!
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    And oh, I didn't even click your link until after I responded to this the first time: I had thought you were listing off books you had read. Now I see you probably haven't even read them- that link just has excerpts from those books. I would assume chosen for a specific purpose. So you not only cherry-picked books, but then cherry-picked quotes from them. But never met or worked with someone from the CIA? Been to an CIA office? But you're qualified to speak about it? That's interesting.

    I wonder what I could get DaveFagan-certified in? Read a few quotes from a few books, no experience necessary! Maybe a constitutional lawyer (I'm sure Dave thinks he's qualified to speak about that, too, actually). Maybe an Indy car driver. Movie producer? Bricklayer? The possibilities are endless, just need to find the write webpage with some quotes!
    What stops you? Fear, or superstition?

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    What stops you? Fear, or superstition?
    Lack of idiocy. I'm not dumb enough to think I'm qualified to talk about something because I visited a webpage with cherry-picked quotes from cherry-picked books.
    The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected.
    -GK Chesterton

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Not everybody views Russia's response to a US backed overthrow of an elected government in the same terms.
    Monte, buddy, please provide me with factual evidence, not conjecture related to tapped phone calls that say nothing our of the normal for a diplomat or cookies being handed out in the Maidan Square.

    You know me Monte. If you can provide me with actual bonafide evidence, I will accept your premise that it was a US backed overthrow/coup.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, the answer as to why this all happened is quite nuanced. No, the new Ukraine government is not a US puppet.

    1) Viktor Yanukovych attempted to bring Ukraine under Russian influence. The people in Western Ukraine naturally revolted, as they want to be part of the Western alliance.

    2) Crimea has a majority Russian population. They support Russia, and welcomed the Russian invasion.

    3) This is a situation where you had 2 different ethnicities living under one roof, which was an unstable situation that could not last.

    4) Viktor Yanukovych and his henchmen were Oligarchs who looted the treasury and turned it into their private piggy bank. The new leadership in Ukraine consists of Oligarchs who are looting the treasury, and turning it into their private piggy banks. Some things just don't change, despite change.

    How the hell can people claim that the CIA was behind this? There is absolutely no evidence to support that. The facts point to the obvious reason. Western Ukranians, and Crimean Russians could never stand each other. Something had to give.
    Dead on. That area of the world, has been dealing with ethnic unrest since the Roman's left... well, actually, long before that. In other words, this isn't new. They've caused many wars, including WWI directly, and it could be argued, WWII.

    There's not that much difference between the ethnic unrest in this region and the tribal sectarian unrest in the ME. Ancient hatred that has never been quelled.

    The closest thing we can compare it to in the US is racial tensions. But the racial tensions in the US are in no way truly comparable to the violent hatred and aggressive discrimination between the different ethnicities in that region of the world. And because of that, very, very few many Americans can actually understand the real interactions and reasons behind the hostilities being played out right now.

    And even less Americans understand IR; case in point the multitude of posts regarding State Department phone calls, and God knows what else they use to blame this on the US.

    Russia is acting Russia's best interest. Ukraine's new government is acting in Ukraine's best interest and the US is acting in the US' best interest. As are all other nations involved in this. That's also why China is not voting on the resolutions in the UN; it's in China's best interest to stay neutral at this time. That interest? It's financial.

    It all comes down to money. Money that flows from petroleum (natural gas and oil) as well as territorial dominance (the port at Sevastopol which is a warm water port). The ethnic unrest is a tool used by all involved to forward their financial agenda.

    Unlike what some here have stated, it IS NOT the corporations. It's larger than that. It's the countries themselves that want the money and the leaders of those countries that want their share. Some of that may come from corporations that would profit from dominance in the area, but in the case of many of the players, it's not the corporations themselves, since the countries and their leaders are the owners. In some instances, like the US, it's tax dollars, loan proceeds and trade income as well as the IR goal of putting Putin and the Russians in a box and keeping them there.

    If the US can keep Putin in that box, the US can maintain their role as the dominant source of financial assistance in the world. This is used by the US as IR leverage to get our way.

    There are many, many other reasons also, but the tin foil hat conspiracy theories being batted around are not even close to the mark.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you have a link to any of this?
    I second this.

    I want to see who is claiming that USAID is a CIA front. I'm guessing Alex Jones.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I second this.

    I want to see who is claiming that USAID is a CIA front. I'm guessing Alex Jones.
    USAID doesn't even operate in way that would allow the CIA to use them as a front. That statement from others is absolutely ludicrous.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    USAID doesn't even operate in way that would allow the CIA to use them as a front. That statement from others is absolutely ludicrous.
    It's an attempt to paint even the most benevolent and charitable US organizations as CIA fronts. Might as well just claim that every single US org is a CIA front. Wait, that's what he claimed, isn't it?

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