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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I tried to tell that earlier. They just can't get past their tin foil hat rage against the US, the CIA, the NSA and maybe even Disneyland.
    Actually, the answer as to why this all happened is quite nuanced. No, the new Ukraine government is not a US puppet.

    1) Viktor Yanukovych attempted to bring Ukraine under Russian influence. The people in Western Ukraine naturally revolted, as they want to be part of the Western alliance.

    2) Crimea has a majority Russian population. They support Russia, and welcomed the Russian invasion.

    3) This is a situation where you had 2 different ethnicities living under one roof, which was an unstable situation that could not last.

    4) Viktor Yanukovych and his henchmen were Oligarchs who looted the treasury and turned it into their private piggy bank. The new leadership in Ukraine consists of Oligarchs who are looting the treasury, and turning it into their private piggy banks. Some things just don't change, despite change.

    How the hell can people claim that the CIA was behind this? There is absolutely no evidence to support that. The facts point to the obvious reason. Western Ukranians, and Crimean Russians could never stand each other. Something had to give.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    QUOTE=Moot;1063042011]Phone calls were made by Nuland directly to Yats to tell him the US wanted him to be president and not the boxer or the right wing extremist. Next thing we know, Yats is the unelected president of Ukraine. So what really have here is a very high level US State Department diplomat with the authority and creditionals to represent US foreign policy and negotiate directly to and with representives and leaders of another country in order to influence a favorable outcome for US interests. Don't act so shocked, countries have been using that kind of representative diplomacy for centuries.
    If all it takes is a phone call from a diplomat to unseat the leader of the Ukraine, maybe they should make the same phone call about Putin. Or any of the 'stan countries. No invasion necessary.

    Nuland speaks for and represents US foreign policy and she didn't make the decision to pick Yats on her own....no no no....she was advised by Freedom House...a neocon think tank funded by the US government. I must say, it's impressive how little you know on the subject, owo. lol
    So the the real power behind all of this is Freedom House, a 'neocon think tank' buried somewhere under the bowels of Washington DC directing who should be the head of different countries throughout the world.

    Do you understand that all those James Bond movies were not documentaries?

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If all it takes is a phone call from a diplomat to unseat the leader of the Ukraine, maybe they should make the same phone call about Putin. Or any of the 'stan countries. No invasion necessary.

    So the the real power behind all of this is Freedom House, a 'neocon think tank' buried somewhere under the bowels of Washington DC directing who should be the head of different countries throughout the world.

    Do you understand that all those James Bond movies were not documentaries?
    Do you understand that the NED, USAID, FreedomHouse, etc., are CIA front groups? Many State Dept. representatives are commonly CIA agents. Many Mainstream Media reporters, editors assets are CIA. This is about real life and real crooks.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Do you understand that the NED, USAID, FreedomHouse, etc., are CIA front groups? Many State Dept. representatives are commonly CIA agents. Many Mainstream Media reporters, editors assets are CIA. This is about real life and real crooks.
    The CIA exists to collect intelligence, but don't worry about them knocking on your door.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The CIA exists to collect intelligence, but don't worry about them knocking on your door.
    So you dispute Dave's claims in that post? The CIA exists for far more than that, and you know that Grant.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    USAID is not a CIA front group.



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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    USAID is not a CIA front group.


    Another missing link.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Another missing link.
    False. You must prove your claim. One cannot prove a negative.

    Obviously, you cannot prove your claim because it's nutbag CT crap. Thus, case closed.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    No links what? Proving a negative? Oooookay, Dave. lol
    You don't understand Dave's complaint. He hates covert operations. Rather, he favors military invasions.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The CIA exists to collect intelligence, but don't worry about them knocking on your door.
    You do know that the CIA has its' own army now and that the DRONES, like the one in Crimea operating out of Ukraine, are under CIA control. Before you would have your drone in Ukraine, you would have boots on the ground in Ukraine to operate and maintain, train, etc. That's known as enlightenment. Free to a good home. The CIA budget is acknowledged as $50 billion, not counting anything that they can develop as self sustaining, self financed like Oliver North, Iran/Contra to Congress, drugs for arms testimony.

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