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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Maybe they live there? It's their country even if they don't live in that city. We had people from all over demonstrating in Florida about the court case that shall go unnamed.
    Or maybe the Right Sector live in western pro-Ukraine and traveled to eastern pro-Russian Ukraine to cause trouble.

    Since you live in Florida then you must have heard of the Brooks Brother Riot.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Or maybe a pro-Ukraine demonstration going on in the country of Ukraine isn't really a good thing to demonize if you're trying to make an argument about how Ukraine is the bad guy.

    Or maybe if they didn't show up, people like you would (shoot, you have) argue that that meant there was almost 100% support for Crimea returning to Russia. And if they do, then they're causing trouble. Either way, a talking point able to further your agenda.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Or maybe a pro-Ukraine demonstration going on in the country of Ukraine isn't really a good thing to demonize if you're trying to make an argument about how Ukraine is the bad guy.
    I don't think supporting far right extremists is a good thing to do. It didn't work for Chamberlin. If the interim government can keep the extremists at bay until a fair election is held in May....then we'll see. Until then, I think we will be seeing a lot more clashes and riots in Ukraine.

    Or maybe if they didn't show up, people like you would (shoot, you have) argue that that meant there was almost 100% support for Crimea returning to Russia. And if they do, then they're causing trouble. Either way, a talking point able to further your agenda.
    Strawman. If you had a good arguement you wouldn't need to resort to such low brow tactics.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    Then don't watch them.
    I usually don't.

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    I watch them as well as other similar sites because they give a unique view that no one else gives, without much analysis (even though it appears you prefer someone else opinion rather than raw data) that allows me to make up my own mind.
    a. Unique view, yeah sure.
    b. I think you need to re-read this sentence in the post you were responding to:
    I do not agree with that as their coverage is far from being unbiased, and moreover it suffers from a very poor analysis (if they analyse it at all) of the situation on the ground, as I explained in my previous post.
    Not only that these videos don't present "raw" data but cut outs that fit a certain narrative, they also don't even try to properly analyse the data they do have/present creating a distorted image of what is happening on the ground, which helps one to "make up his own mind".

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If it pisses you off, ignore it. I've only posted a few of their videos and only in response to someone asking a question that the video can either answer or explain as was the case here.
    Ignore them. If the Mods ask me to stop, I will.
    Imo you can keep posting whatever you want , I am also free to call bs on it.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    It was a Ukraine issue until the USA/CIA spent $5 billion to foment anarchy and destabilization. There hand picked stooge is in charge, and nobody , except Yanukovych was actually elected. Face facts. It's a US backed plot to force privatization of the Energy bottleneck industries in Ukraine. This is not and never has been a spontaneous reveolt for freedom, liberty, democracy or justice. It is an economic power grab and it will also boost the MIC players in the USA at a time tehy are fearing budget cuts.. It's a USA win-win for business. War is good business. Threats of war are good business. What's good for business is good for the USA, especially anything in the energy or arms businesses. Wars are good marketing , if you're in the business, and we are.
    Can you back any of that up?
    Even if true it does not give Russia the right to invade another country.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    The "Vote" for ??? is today Sunday. Wonder what it's like to vote in a booth with a Russian AK47 staring you in the face.
    It's nothing more than X's and O's.

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Nobody denies that Yanukovych is a scumbag. Is this supposed to make it OK for the USA to fund and implement an insurrection? No! A hundred people died and the proof says the protestors allies hired the snipers. Ah hah, seems to be more than one scumbag, don't you think.?

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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Is this supposed to make it OK for the USA to fund and implement an insurrection?
    Remember, Dave: this a straw man argument that you created in your head. You keep assuming it's true and using it as a foundation for your arguments, but it's important to remember that you just made it up.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Remember, Dave: this a straw man argument that you created in your head. You keep assuming it's true and using it as a foundation for your arguments, but it's important to remember that you just made it up.
    That and even if true it does not justify Russias invasion and soon annexation of part of Ukraine.
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    Re: Crimea parliament declares independence from Ukraine ahead of referendum

    Quote Originally Posted by OldWorldOrder View Post
    Remember, Dave: this a straw man argument that you created in your head. You keep assuming it's true and using it as a foundation for your arguments, but it's important to remember that you just made it up.
    Talking points noted, but I have to believe you to be an ignoranus to actully believe what you say and I don't. Victoria Nuland, powerful State Department spokesperson, stated that when they changed the regime, that Yats would be the man to have in charge. A couple of weeks before the event happened, don't ya' know. No straw man involved. Was she on ACID? Did she misspeak? Is she clairvoyant? OOPS, her oral slip revealed the skullduggery at top levels. You can deny it, but you can't alter it. It happened and the cat is out of the bag. Get the gov't to change your bag so you sound minimally competent.

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