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Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

ernst barkmann said:
sorry wrong, the 5th is not a right........its a restriction........

what the amendment process would be doing would be to remove a restriction placed on the federal government.
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You make this stuff up out of your own head as you go along. This is referred to as the right to remain silent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_silence#United_States

RIGHT TO SILENCE:

United States[edit]
Main article: Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
The Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that no person shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself. At trial, the prosecution can neither call the defendant as a witness, nor comment on the defendant's failure to testify.[19] Whether to testify or not is exclusively the privilege of the defendant. [20]
Outside the context of detention or arrest, a person has no duty to answer any questions of police at all; and if judicial compulsion is sought by the State, the person can still invoke his Fifth Amendment privilege against compulsory self-incrimination, and refuse to comply. Only if granted immunity by the state, in a formal proceeding, from having any testimony or evidence derived from the testimony used against him, can a person be compelled to answer over an assertion of this privilege. [21] If police detain (or arrest) a person, they must advise him that he has a right to remain silent, and the right to an attorney, among other rights. If the detained person invokes these rights, all interrogation must cease, and nothing said by the defendant in violation of this rule can be admitted against him at trial. [22]
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No matter - my point still stands as anything in the Constitution can be changed by a future Amendment. And that means ANYTHING.
 
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MildSteel said:
What was said is that the right came from the persons who wrote the Constitution and I think that is a correct statement. Because persons in a position to write laws that are enforced through the threat or application of various forms of coercion and are in general followed by a group of persons, the persons writing the laws can restrict rights. When a right is restricted, the persons who are restricted, practically speaking, don't have the right. Therefore the right, in a practical sense, comes from the persons writing the laws, in this case the Constitution.
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a right, meaning one recognized for all citizens as a whole, cannot be restricted.

however a right of a single individual can be redistricted based if a violation of the law took place by that individual.

you have many many rights, you have liberty to do as you please.......AS LONG AS......that liberty does not violate the rights of other people, or threaten the health and saftey of the public.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

haymarket said:
You make this stuff up out of your own head as you go along. This is referred to as the right to remain silent.

Right to silence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



No matter - my point still stands as anything in the Constitution can be changed by a future Amendment. And that means ANYTHING.
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i stated, that an amendment to the constitution, can not remove a right.........because the constitution does not grant the people any rights.........it only recognizes rights.

if you repeal the 5th amendment , your repealing a restriction placed on the federal government .............are you going to say, that because of that repeal .............the USSC is going to UN-recognize a right.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

ernst barkmann said:
i stated, that an amendment to the constitution, can not remove a right.........because the constitution does not grant the people any rights.........it only recognizes rights.

if you repeal the 5th amendment , your repealing a restriction placed on the federal government .............are you going to say, that because of that repeal .............the USSC is going to UN-recognize a right.
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What I am saying now is what I have always said:
1- rights come from the will of the people demanding that a certain behavior be recognized by the government as a right.
2- if your government does not recognize what you as an individual claim is your right - then you do not have that right in fact or in the ability to exercise what you claim is a right.
3- natural rights are a theory and self imposed belief that are taken on an article of faith just like religion is.
4- the Amendment process can change anything in the Constitution be it rights or anything else in the Constitution.
 
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haymarket said:
What I am saying now is what I have always said:
1- rights come from the will of the people demanding that a certain behavior be recognized by the government as a right.
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rights which are recognized in the constitution enumeration are natural rights.

its natural for you to speak.
pray
assemble with those to choose to be with.
be secure in your person and property
defend yourself by force or against those who would accuse you

haymarket said:
2- if your government does not recognize what you as an individual claim is your right - then you do not have that right in fact or in the ability to exercise what you claim is a right.
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people have many many rights which have never come before the courts, because they have never be in question before...................i have a right to take a walk, and whistle as i walk........we all know this, so it has never been subject to the need to be recognized by the court.

when rights which are not enumerated come into question, then the court makes the determination of whether the right is valid, and needs to be formally recognized.

haymarket said:
3- natural rights are a theory and self imposed belief that are taken on an article of faith just like religion is.
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natural rights are based on nature.

haymarket said:
4- the Amendment process can change anything in the Constitution be it rights or anything else in the Constitution.
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there are no rights given by the constitution....you cant take ..........what is not there.
 
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You are confusing the physical ability to perform an action with a right.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Montecresto said:
Wtf. Sometimes our liberties need defending, you can try it by yourself, but you may at times just need the resources of the government.
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It is usally government that is the threat to our liberties; and it is usually government against which we must fight to defend our liberties.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

ernst barkmann said:
rights which are recognized in the constitution enumeration are natural rights.
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So what you are saying is that prior to the adoption of the Constitution no one understood nature.
 
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why is it so difficult for the right to come up with better solutions at lower cost with a first world work ethic instead of merely digging ditches with their third world work ethic.
 
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prometeus said:
So what you are saying is that prior to the adoption of the Constitution no one understood nature.
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no ...rights which are recognized by the constitution already existed in states.....before the constitution.

they are based on nature.

example: it is natural for me speak.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

ernst barkmann said:
no ...rights which are recognized by the constitution already existed in states.....before the constitution.

they are based on nature.

example: it is natural for me speak.
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It is also natural to walk around naked but that too is irrelevant. Nature has not changed yet people did not have all those rights, no matter how natural it felt.
 
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It doesn't matter because our Founding Fathers, Ordained and Established our secular and temporal "morals" for us as civil Persons in our republic; along with our legal ethics and common law system of (social) justice. Our supreme law of the land must be more supreme than Any commandments of even Religion, simply Because, our Founding Fathers', said so.
 
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danielpalos said:
why is it so difficult for the right to come up with better solutions at lower cost with a first world work ethic instead of merely digging ditches with their third world work ethic.
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Perhaps you're confused. It's not that it's difficult to come up with better solutions, it's that first world work ethic solutions are so removed from the baseline of those on the left waiting for handouts that third world work ethic solutions stand a better chance of being understood.:cool:
 
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ocean515 said:
Perhaps you're confused. It's not that it's difficult to come up with better solutions, it's that first world work ethic solutions are so removed from the baseline of those on the left waiting for handouts that third world work ethic solutions stand a better chance of being understood.:cool:
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all i hear is that the right has no solution for our social dilemma of poverty for the least wealthy, while the wealthiest even qualify for multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, without even any drug tests being involved; especially under our form of Capitalism regardless of our form of Socialism.
 
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danielpalos said:
all i hear is that the right has no solution for our social dilemma of poverty for the least wealthy, while the wealthiest even qualify for multimillion dollar bonuses on means tested corporate welfare, without even any drug tests being involved; especially under our form of Capitalism regardless of our form of Socialism.
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Well, it's been my experience some people only hear that which they seek. Try turning the channel.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

ernst barkmann said:
then tell me haymarket why in over 200 years, has the congress ever created an amendment, instituting a right?

for the federal government to try to create a right, would violate federal law...... the fundamental and organic law of the u.s.
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20th amendment? women got the right to vote...
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

haymarket said:
the majority could indeed use the Amendment process to change anything in the Constitution and that includes a right that is now enjoyed.
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Sure. People can. But that's not a deity coming down. That's the point I was arguing - that our rights (or lack there of) are due to people's decisions, not to a deity.
 
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Zyphlin said:
What rights exactly are you suggesting those who wrote the constitution "Created"?
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They determined what rights the citizens of this country have. Wasn't a god saying what to write down. It was a group of men who did the best they could given their backgrounds, their preferences, and the need to get all the states onboard.
 
MildSteel said:
A new Pew Research survey seems to indicate that millenials, the age group from 18 to 33, tend to favor gay rights and marijuana legalization. and tend to vote for Democrats. I think it is highly likely that Democrats have embraced these two issues to drive a stake in the heart of the Republican party. Recall recently how Obama spoke in favor of marijuana legalization and came out in favor of gay rights.

Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out? - The Week
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RINO's are dying out - as can be seen by Rand Paul's victory at the cpac.

Real conservatism is alive and well.

These RINO's are NOT - and never were - republicans or conservatives.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

ocean515 said:
Well, it's been my experience some people only hear that which they seek. Try turning the channel.
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Do you really expect a liberal to tune in to Fox? Or Rush on the radio? That only happens when they need to hear something they disagree with, so they can scream and holler about how the Republicans are going to be the ones that will ruin us all because of the way they think! :mrgreen:

Greetings, ocean515. :2wave:
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

danielpalos said:
It doesn't matter because our Founding Fathers, Ordained and Established our secular and temporal "morals" for us as civil Persons in our republic; along with our legal ethics and common law system of (social) justice. Our supreme law of the land must be more supreme than Any commandments of even Religion, simply Because, our Founding Fathers', said so.
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Those damn Founders of this country! Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Monroe, etc... Just imagine if the clowns we have in control today were able to craft our Constitution. Can you say RNK? Kim Jung Obama in charge. Yikes! I'll stick with the Founders, imperfect as they were.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

ocean515 said:
Well, it's been my experience some people only hear that which they seek. Try turning the channel.
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sure thing, mr.kettle. but, why not come up with better solution at lower cost instead of expecting a sense of Social "entitlement" to the subjective value of morals for "free" under our form of Capitalism?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

ernst barkmann said:
no ...rights which are recognized by the constitution already existed in states.....before the constitution.

they are based on nature.

example: it is natural for me speak.
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speaking isn't a right. It's an ability
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

danielpalos said:
sure thing, mr.kettle. but, why not come up with better solution at lower cost instead of expecting a sense of Social "entitlement" to the subjective value of morals for "free" under our form of Capitalism?
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Hmmm. Well, I think those solutions have been presented. Perhaps they are too simple for those enamored with flowery speech to appreciate or understand.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

i believe it may have had more to do with your special pleading. have you improved your argument? i don't mind if you repost, even any updated version of your propaganda and rhetoric.
 
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