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Is the Republican Party in danger of dying out?

Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

First, I don't really think there is any such thing as common sense. There's no folksy wisdom. There's just knowledge and ignorance.

Second, while we might condemn our political opponents, most of the people who aspire to political office really are patriotic and love their country. They might have twisted ideas about race, religion, class, gender, sexuality, economics, or basically whatever, but they really do have the best of intentions. In the beginning, at least.



People don't always do the right thing. Liberals don't actually think that Obama is some kind of paragon or that he has to be. We yelled at him over these positions and he listened to us (cuz we're his constituency). Isn't that what politicians are supposed to do?

Hey, at least you admit Obama represents Liberals. I plan to cite this to other libs in the future.
As of now, the childish MO of the left is to claim Obama is actually a conservative. :doh
I loved his CPAC speech. :roll:
 
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Hey, at least you admit Obama represents Liberals. I plan to cite this to other libs in the future.
As of now, the childish MO of the left is to claim Obama is actually a conservative. :doh
I loved his CPAC speech. :roll:

That is the very first time I have ever heard someone call Obama a conservative....did you just make that up?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

So some undefined "higher power" must give rights, or we have none.

since you are asking me this question again, it seems i do not do a good job in explaining your question before.

i will be clearer this time.

first,... i am NOT speaking about rights, from a biblical prospective, and am speaking about rights of the prospective of ...U.S. LAW...........NOT laws of foreign governments.

THE FUNDAMENTAL OR ORGANIC LAWS OF THE U.S.

The Organic Laws of the United States of America can be found in Volume One of the United States Code which contains the General and Permanent Laws of the United States. U.S. Code defines the organic laws of the United States of America to include the Declaration of Independence of July 4, 1776, the Articles of Confederation of November 15, 1777, the Northwest Ordinance of July 13, 1787, and the Constitution of September 17, 1787.

MAKING the Declaration of Independence ----------->LAW.

our Declaration of Independence states rights are endowed meaning they come from a higher power, ...why the higher power?.......to signify rights DO NOT come from man , but from something HIGHER, therefore not in mans power to give OR take away.

from this statement of the Declaration of Independence, that law has NEVER BEEN VIOLATED, .......THE U.S. CONGRESS has never created a right in its entire history.

the u.s. constitution with its bill of rights, does NOT has NOT given or ever granted a rights to it citizens.

our bill of rights RECOGNIZES RIGHTS ONLY, and they are enumerated, our bill of rights with its clauses........are declaratory and restrictive clause places on the federal government, that it shall make no laws, violating the recognized rights which are enumerated [ this can be found in reading the preamble to the bill of rights], .....all other rights which are not enumerated by the constitution, fall under the 9th amendment.

rights like the right to vote are not listed in the bill of rights,.....that right was recognized by the USSC.......the judicial branch of our government, not its legislative branch.

the u.s. was not created has a democracy, the people were NOT given absolute power to do as they will, [majority rule], america was created as a federal republic, with a constitution, making it a republican form of government NOT democratic form, with RULE OF LAW.
 
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the u.s. was not created has a democracy, the people were NOT given absolute power to do as they will, [majority rule], america was created as a federal republic, with a constitution, making it a republican form of government NOT democratic form, with RULE OF LAW.

Very glad to see you type these words Herr Barkmann. Your admission that the government of the USA is indeed a republican form puts to rest all your previous posts in which you complain about that very fact and claim that the issue was debatable and not clear.

the thread you started on this very subject now needs to be corrected by this latest admission by you

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/186640-democracy-and-republic-w-172-a.html


Glad to see you were convinced and finally came around to seeing things as they really are.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

They are created by a collective body. Without a social construction, the law of the land is anything anyone wants.

That is why natural rights are a necessary fiction, and why, despite anything to the contrary, why they should be construed as being created by nature or by a supreme being. The less awareness and control men have over their bond with one another, the better.

see post #304
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Very glad to see you type these words Herr Barkmann. Your admission that the government of the USA is indeed a republican form puts to rest all your previous posts in which you complain about that very fact.


Glad to see you were convinced and finally came around to seeing things as they really are.

it seems you have not been paying attention, i have stated the usa IS A republican form of government since i have been on this forum.

it you deny this....... please say so....... and i will provide you with many links which i have stated it is, ...FOR A very very long time.
 
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it seems you have not been paying attention, i have stated the usa IS A republican form of government since i have been on this forum.

it you dought it please say so....... and i will provide you with many links which i have stated it is, ...FOR A very long time.

Glad to hear it Herr Barkmann. Very glad to hear it. So we can put to bed all this complaining about mixed government and the like.

Sadly, your own words show that you have not been as consistent or insistent as you would pretend.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...nation-laws-protect-our-rights-w-85-a-46.html

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as explained to you many times, the 17th changed the structure of the federal government and turn the senate into a democracy, like the house, making them both collective now.

and allowed collectivism, faction/special interest to grow and take over our government, government to expand and violate the constitution.

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when the 17th amendment came into being, it changed the senate which was an aristocracy of being elected by the legislatures of the states, over to direct election by the people as the house is ............making it a democracy.

this turned the congress as a whole into a democracy now................. employing now 2 elements of democracy in our government..........moving America closer to that vile form of democratic government, which is always at war with individual rights of the people

YOu make many statements in this thread disparaging our form of government and claiming that it is now a democracy. So apparently you once believed we were a republic, then recently took on a different view, but after debate with me and others have been converted back. Glad to be of help in getting you to see the light.
 
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He was eviscerated because he was a weak leader. Even democrats appear to have agreed, judging by the election results.

So your stance is that promoting actual personal responsibility = weak leader.
 
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Glad to hear it Herr Barkmann. Very glad to hear it. So we can put to bed all this complaining about mixed government and the like.

Sadly, your own words show that you have not been as consistent or insistent as you would pretend.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...nation-laws-protect-our-rights-w-85-a-46.html

YOu make many statements in this thread disparaging our form of government and claiming that it is now a democracy. So apparently you once believed we were a republic, then recently took on a different view, but after debate with me and others have been converted back. Glad to be of help in getting you to see the light.

our nation is a federal republic, with a Constitution making it a republican form of government [which i have repeated on this forum many many times], ...........the constitution by its structure , how our officials were elected pre17th.....makes it a MIXED GOVERNMENT.

republican form of government..............not a...... MIXED FORM OF GOVERNMENT.

the USA was not created has a democratic form of government,....... because it was created with 3 difference forms of government.....a monarchy[president], aristocracy [senate].........both of these forms are NOT DEMOCRATIC.........and a democracy [house of representatives]......the only democratic aspect of our government......making the USA a republican form.
 
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our nation is a federal republic, with a Constitution making it a republican form of government

Glad to see you gave up the Quixote like cause celebre of the last few weeks. Well done. :peace
 
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Glad to hear it Herr Barkmann. Very glad to hear it. So we can put to bed all this complaining about mixed government and the like.

Sadly, your own words show that you have not been as consistent or insistent as you would pretend.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls...nation-laws-protect-our-rights-w-85-a-46.html

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YOu make many statements in this thread disparaging our form of government and claiming that it is now a democracy. So apparently you once believed we were a republic, then recently took on a different view, but after debate with me and others have been converted back. Glad to be of help in getting you to see the light.



just 1 of many, this is dated 11-15-12...and in it i state in it the U.S. is a republican form of government.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/142937-congress-presidency-and-democracy.html
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Glad to see you gave up the Quixote like cause celebre of the last few weeks. Well done. :peace

it was created a republican form i have stated this since i have been on this forum.

that republican form of government, .........was created as a mixed government

with the 17th amendment, it has moved america closer to a democratic form.......in all but the wording.
 
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it was created a republican form i have stated this since i have been on this forum.

that republican form of government, .........was created as a mixed government

with the 17th amendment, it has moved america closer to a democratic form.......in all but the wording.

I could not care less what you keep saying about a mixed government as our Constitution mentions no such term and does not mandate it.

Again, I am glad to see you return to the path of truth and admit we have a republican form of government and thus there is no possible conflict nor any possible constitutional issue involving any changes from the 17th Amendment.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

I could not care less what you keep saying about a mixed government as our Constitution mentions no such term and does not mandate it.

Again, I am glad to see you return to the path of truth and admit we have a republican form of government and thus there is no possible conflict nor any possible constitutional issue involving any changes from the 17th Amendment.

the constitution does not mandate a mixed government, by how the constitution is constructed, makes it a mixed government.

as i stated before ..........i have stated the u.s. is a republican form of government since the day i arrived on this form.



but for me i prefer the return to republican government, and move away from the evil of democracy, which has taken hold in america.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/141146-repeal-17th-amendment-5.html

dated October 12 2012

which you were part of this thread......haymarket!

you know very well i have started this for over a year, ..your attempts to SAVE FACE.........is nauseating.
 
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the constitution does not mandate a mixed government, by how the constitution is constructed, makes it a mixed government.

as state before i had ..........i have stated the u.s. is a republican form of government since the day i arrived on this form.

Glad to see you have returned to the path of reality Herr Barkmann and have abandoned your more recent doubts about the USA and its form of government expressed over and over and over and over again by you in the two threads I cited this very morning. I guess a temporary lapse in judgment is acceptable if you have returned to the path of truth and reality. glad to have you back. :2wave:
 
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Glad to see you have returned to the path of reality Herr Barkmann and have abandoned your more recent doubts about the USA and its form of government expressed over and over and over and over again by you in the two threads I cited this very morning. I guess a temporary lapse in judgment is acceptable if you have returned to the path of truth and reality. glad to have you back. :2wave:


apparently you SKIPPED over the link i provided stating over 1 1/2 years ago the u.s. is a republican form of government...........even though you posted in that very thread!......ALSO


you are the most DISHONEST person on this form i have ever met.

BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE DISHONEST.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/141146-repeal-17th-amendment-5.html
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

It is not that the leaders of any party of any country "believe" in an issue, it is rather, a scheme on how to gather votes. With gay rights being talked about in the free and not free world the party that aligns itself with the cause calculates if it will work or not then throws their hat in to the race. It's the people leading the party not the party leading the people yet the party says "join us" while the party is joining them. The republicans are not popular now as they have a platform and stick to it whereas the dems simply employ all and any mood swings that are popular at the time.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

1.) who said it did lol, thats right nobody thanks for the meaningless post that has nothing to do with mine. Now can you answer my question?
2.) another thing i never said, do you have anything to say that impacts the fact i stated?
3.) goody gum drops for that retard (Karl) lol
since nothign you said impacts the fact i stated ill ask again since you seem to be dodging it

are you claiming that millions of conservatives dont support equal rights and weed? yes or no

If the post is meaningless then why respond? Who said that you said it did? The point is that you appear to want to brush aside the fact that Republicans have used gay baiting to get votes. I don't think it's hard to understand.
 
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apparently you SKIPPED over the link i provided stating over 1 1/2 years ago the u.s. is a republican form of government...........even though you posted in that very thread!......ALSO


you are the most DISHONEST person on this form i have ever met.

BUT I KNOW YOU DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE DISHONEST.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-constitution/141146-repeal-17th-amendment-5.html

Attacking me and calling me names does not erase the two recent threads where you said it was a debatable issue and you gave post after post after post after post in which you criticized our government for being democratic. I provided both thread links. I provided exact posts from you in which you did that to call doubt upon if we were a republic or not.

Why are you not trying to disown your own recent views? Here is just a part of them

as explained to you many times, the 17th changed the structure of the federal government and turn the senate into a democracy, like the house, making them both collective now.

and allowed collectivism, faction/special interest to grow and take over our government, government to expand and violate the constitution.
But even with your unfounded anger and irresponsible name calling against me and the personal attacks, I will be the bigger man and repeat that I am glad to see you have returned to the path of reality Herr Barkmann and have abandoned your more recent doubts about the USA and its form of government expressed over and over and over and over again by you in the two threads I cited this very morning. I guess a temporary lapse in judgment is acceptable if you have returned to the path of truth and reality. glad to have you back.
 
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if someone kills ...murders, then his rights are no longer secure......

stand your ground,...... enforces property owner rights, to use deadly force if threaten........you cannot kill just to kill.

so if people give themselves rights, ....then if 51% decide to take rights away from the 49% ........since the power to give is also the power to take.........your fine with that, even though it violates the founding principles of the DOI.

collective rule is majority rule, the founders gave us rule of law........not majority rule.

Fair point. The majority can't take away a constitutional right. However, the rights in the constitution came from those who wrote and amended it coming to agreement, not from a deity.

The initial constitution allowed slavery and denied women (and non-property holding white men) the vote. We have changed it - collectively - to remove those. No deity came down and told us to do that.
 
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Attacking me and calling me names does not erase the two recent threads where you said it was a debatable issue and you gave post after post after post after post in which you criticized our government for being democratic. I provided both thread links. I provided exact posts from you in which you did that to call doubt upon if we were a republic or not.

Why are you not trying to disown your own recent views? Here is just a part of them


But even with your unfounded anger and irresponsible name calling against me and the personal attacks, I will be the bigger man and repeat that I am glad to see you have returned to the path of reality Herr Barkmann and have abandoned your more recent doubts about the USA and its form of government expressed over and over and over and over again by you in the two threads I cited this very morning. I guess a temporary lapse in judgment is acceptable if you have returned to the path of truth and reality. glad to have you back.

because you are dishonest, by stating i don't believe the u.s. is a republican form of government, and i have been saying that for 1 1/2 years, and you know it!


here is a pretty present for you hay!


John Adams wrote in 1806: "I once thought our Constitution was quasi or mixed government, but they (Republicans) have now made it, to all intents and purposes, in virtue, in spirit, and in effect, a democracy. We are left without resources but in our prayers and tears, and have nothing that we can do or say, but the Lord have mercy on us."

James Madison from the federalist paper #40 --THE second point to be examined is, whether the [ constitutional ]convention were authorized to frame and propose this mixed Constitution.

Patrick Henry, Virginia Ratifying Convention--4--12 June 1788 --But, Sir, we have the consolation that it is a mixed Government: That is, it may work sorely on your neck; but you will have some comfort by saying, that it was a Federal Government in its origin.


here is Wikipedia, which you haymarket ----------->STATED WAS A VERIFIABLE SOURCE OF INFORMATION


MIXED GOVERNMENT

Mixed government, also known as a mixed constitution, is a form of government that integrates elements of democracy, aristocracy, and monarchy. In a mixed government, some issues (often defined in a constitution) are decided by the majority of the people, some other issues by few, and some other issues by a single person (also often defined in a constitution). The idea is commonly treated as an antecedent of separation of powers.

Renaissance and Enlightenment

Cicero became extremely well regarded during the Renaissance and many of his ideas were embraced. Polybius was also rediscovered and the positive view of mixed governments became a central aspect of Renaissance political science integrated into the developing notion of republicanism. Mixed government theories became extremely popular in the Enlightenment and were discussed in detail by Hobbes, Locke, Vico, Montesquieu, Rousseau, and Kant. Apart from his contemporaries, only Montesquieu became widely acknowledged as the author of a concept of separation of powers (although he wrote rather on their "distribution").[citation needed]

According to some scholars[who?] the notion also influenced the writers of the United States Constitution who based the idea of checks and balances upon the ancient theory. The constitution of Britain during the Victorian Era with a Parliament composed of the Sovereign (monarchy), a House of Lords (aristocracy) and House of Commons (democracy) is a prime example of a mixed constitution in the 19th century.

Father of the American constitution James Madison in federalist paper #40 states the constitutional convention of 1787 created a mixed constitution and well as Madison's reference to Polybius in federalist paper #63.

Modern views

One school of scholarship, based mainly in the United States, consider mixed government to be the central characteristic of a republic, and hold that the U.S. has rule by the one (the President), the few (the Senate, which was originally supposed to represent the States), and the many (House of Representatives). According to Frank Lovett this school is largely defunct.[1]

Yet another school of thought in the United States says the Supreme Court has taken on the role of "The Best" in recent decades, ensuring a continuing separation of authority by offsetting the direct election of senators and preserving the mixing of Democracy, Aristocracy, and Monarchy, and Military divisions of the federal government.

Mixed government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

fair point. The majority can't take away a constitutional right. However, the rights in the constitution came from those who wrote and amended it coming to agreement, not from a deity.

The initial constitution allowed slavery and denied women (and non-property holding white men) the vote. We have changed it - collectively - to remove those. No deity came down and told us to do that.

see post 304 about rights.

The constitution does not allowed slavery, the constitution puts an end to the importation of slaves by jan 1 1808

the ussc court, recognized the right to vote..........not the congress
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

It is quite telling that the OP's premise relies on gay rights and legal marijuana not simply being the right thing to do.

That's not true at all. If Democrats felt it was the right thing to do, then why has it taken so long for a Democratic president to openly speak out on these issues. The answer? Because there is a political advantage to be gained from it now. Previously it was too politically dangerous.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

That's what Democrats do.

Haven't you ever looked at what is under the Democrat tent ? It's a frickin carnival.

That's what politicians do. In some cases you could call it "representing your constituents." It's actually the very same attitude that caused Romney to have to run much further to the right than his record as Governor. Besides, I thought the big tent was the GOP. That's what Bush I said.

To the point of the OP, the GOP will adapt and be fine. They will figure out a way to go on winning elections which is what really matters to them anyway.
 
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