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Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

While dp posters continue to post of general platitudes,
very few of any lean are willing to lay down their markers on specific proposals to run/fix our many levels of gov't.

I have changed to the center on gun subissues since coming on dp.
I'm extremely right-wing when it comes to specifics on fixing public pensions, in which I get one.
As for ECO/energy, I'm very torn, but realize if we don't, someone else will and dirtier.

As for left-wing entitlements, as with defensive entitlements in the VA,
means-testing is the only way out of this thick forest, and I've provided a way to do it, using retired folks like me .
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

just for a moment read what you just wrote. You support everything I said in this post. There are no real Marxist here. No real socialist. All you could gather of both couldn't will a small town dog catcher election. You have a false premise using a wild exaggerated over generalization. That's all there is to it.

does the left deny, endowed rights....and believe the collective creates rights......yes.

does the left advocate democracy today..a collective form of government...yes

did progressive push democracy in america in the late 1800's......and move america from a republican form of government to a more democratic form of government...yes

do progressive promote the idea of the "commons" .... which is collective .....yes.

does socialism which is collective........promote the idea, of the removal of all private property...yes.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

does the left deny, endowed rights....and believe the collective creates rights......yes.

does the left advocate democracy today..a collective form of government...yes

did progressive push democracy in america in the late 1800's......and move america from a republican form of government to a more democratic form of government...yes

do progressive promote the idea of the "commons" .... which is collective .....yes.

does socialism which is collective........promote the idea, of the removal of all private property...yes.

"The left" =/= "progressive" =/= "socialist."
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

here is what i base my initial post on, ..it speaks for itself.



ask the left, "are rights endowed by the creator"........they will say flat out.........NO!

they believe rights are created by man, a collective body of people, the collective mindset.

collectivism is the opposite of [individualism], ......which is what america was founded on.

under collectivism..... no individual rights exist because the collective decides what they are, and the individual is subservient to that collective.

Um - America was founded on a set of principles and laws that all Americans are supposed to support (and when they don't, they can use the rule of law to change them)

So yes, rights are created by all of us in this country, through the democratic process

If you want to call democracy "collectivism", go ahead

You don't have the right to kill me (assuming I'm not threatening you). That's a collective decision we all made.

We are not a religious theocracy.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

how does that change the fact that millions of republicans support equal rights and weed?

How does that change the fact the Karl Rove, the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush, used gay baiting as a tactic to get votes.
Karl Rove is a nutcase
brilliant BULLY, EXTORTIONIST, and CON MAN

but a nutball and exactly whats wrong with politics :shrug:

He was also the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush. We wasn't just some guy out on the fringe.

so do you have a point?

are you claiming that millions of conservatives dont support equal rights and weed?

Yes I have a point. The fact is that Karl Rove, the chief campaign strategist for the 43rd President of the United States George W Bush, used gay baiting, with some success, to get votes for the Republican candidate for President of the United States.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

if man can give any right, then can he give a right to kill?

if man can give rights.....can he take them away, because he just chooses to do so?

We have chosen that it's ok to kill someone if they have committed a heinous enough crime. But that is a joint decision.

"Stand your ground" laws is a joint decision giving people the right to kill in certain situations.

So answer to your question - removing the sexism - yes, people in our society can give and take away rights. We do that through the democratic process.

I happen to not agree with the death penalty nor the "stand your ground" laws, but have been overruled by the "collective"
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

"The left" =/= "progressive" =/= "socialist."

what does the left advocate for?

commons

progressive taxes.

very heavy tax on inheritance.

i have hear many of the left advocate for nationalizing of large corporations even members of the democrat party.

Marx believed in these ideas below:

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Abolition of all right of inheritance.
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

the left has many collective ideas.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

does the left deny, endowed rights....and believe the collective creates rights......yes.

does the left advocate democracy today..a collective form of government...yes

did progressive push democracy in america in the late 1800's......and move america from a republican form of government to a more democratic form of government...yes

do progressive promote the idea of the "commons" .... which is collective .....yes.

does socialism which is collective........promote the idea, of the removal of all private property...yes.

You made up foe is comical, but you're just shadow boxing.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

well kobie.. if rights are not endowed , where do they come from?
Rights can only be endowed by a deity?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

We have chosen that it's ok to kill someone if they have committed a heinous enough crime. But that is a joint decision.

"Stand your ground" laws is a joint decision giving people the right to kill in certain situations.

So answer to your question - removing the sexism - yes, people in our society can give and take away rights. We do that through the democratic process.

I happen to not agree with the death penalty nor the "stand your ground" laws, but have been overruled by the "collective"



if someone kills ...murders, then his rights are no longer secure......

stand your ground,...... enforces property owner rights, to use deadly force if threaten........you cannot kill just to kill.

so if people give themselves rights, ....then if 51% decide to take rights away from the 49% ........since the power to give is also the power to take.........your fine with that, even though it violates the founding principles of the DOI.

collective rule is majority rule, the founders gave us rule of law........not majority rule.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

yes....but the left does not believe in them being endowed, .but created by a collective body.
So you're saying that without a supernatural entity (deity) getting involved, we would have no rights at all?

And how do you know all liberal-minded types believe that?
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

So you're saying that without a supernatural entity (deity) getting involved, we would have no rights at all?

And how do you know all liberal-minded types believe that?



nations, which have rights created by the people, are democracies.

our founders state rights, come from a higher power

the u.s. was not created a representative democracy....because to be a democracy it would have to have been created as a democratic form of government, and it was not.

article 4 section 4 of the constitution states our government is .....republican.

for something to be democratic it must be a vote of the people..

the constitution of the founders, makes only the [house] a democratic body, the senate and electoral college are not a democratic body.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Rights can only be endowed by a deity?
He's dodging your question. And it's obvious why

as soon as you asked it, he changed his claim from "endowed by a creator" or just plain "endowed"
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Rights can only be endowed by a deity?

That's some bad math in your avatar! lol
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

as stated before, whatever you choose to believe.

Yes, I do choose to believe what is real and true over wild exaggerate over generalizations. I'm fine with that.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Republicans don't give a crap about guns or abortions, and are just using them for votes.

Republicans care about one thing and only one thing - more money in their own pockets. Everything else is just lipstick on the pig.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

He's dodging your question. And it's obvious why

as soon as you asked it, he changed his claim from "endowed by a creator" or just plain "endowed"

Dang!!! On it like white on rice!!! lol
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

Think of it this way, back in the 70's, a president by the name of Carter actually got on television and pushed the idea of personal responsibility. Something as simple as wearing a ****ing sweater if one is cold in order to cut down their heating bills. Simple common sense. Simple, pure, unadulterated personal responsibility at it's finest.

He was eviscerated for it. By the GOP.

The GOP doesn't really give flying **** about personal responsibility. That's not an opinion, it's documented fact.

He was eviscerated because he was a weak leader. Even democrats appear to have agreed, judging by the election results.
 
Re: The Reason Democrats Are Backing Gay Rights and Marijuana Legalization

He was eviscerated because he was a weak leader. Even democrats appear to have agreed, judging by the election results.

but carter has done a far better job at peace making.

the camp david accords come to mind
 
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